[B-Greek] KAI TAUTA EIPWN, Acts 19:40
Webb Mealy
webb at selftest.net
Mon Nov 19 01:25:52 EST 2007
I'm slightly embarrassed to admit it, but I think it is the -WN ending of
the second aorist participle EIPWN that is subtly influencing my brain to
treat it as though it were LEGWN. Thanks for the cross-ref to Lk 11:45.
Webb Mealy
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From: Mark Lightman [mailto:lightmanmark at yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2007 9:28 PM
To: Webb Mealy; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] KAI TAUTA EIPWN, Acts 19:40
The GENERAL rule is that aorist participles refer
to actions occuring before the main verb whereas
present/progressive participles refer to actions occuring
at the same time as the main verb. But there are many
exceptions to this rule. There is nothing impossible about
your interpretation.
But just glancing at a Greek concordance, I noticed that
in Acts 20:26 the same construction, KAI TAUTA EIPWN,
and in Acts 27:35 a very similar construction (EIPAS DE
TAUTA) occur where clearly the actions follow and are
separate from the speeches. On the other hand, Luke
uses the present TAUTA LEGWN in just such a construction as you
suggest in Lk 11:45 ("by saying these things you also insult us.")
So I think if Luke meant to say that the words dismissed the assembly
he would have used the present or maybe something like EV TAUTOIS
LOGOIS. But again, your translation is possible and if the text said this
to you, go for it!
Mark L.
Webb Mealy <webb at selftest.net> wrote:
KAI TAUTA EIPWN APELUSEN THN EKKLHSIAN (Acts 19:40)
On first reading this said to me,
"And with those words he dismissed the meeting."
But nobody seems to agree with me. People generally render it,
"After saying these things he dismissed the meeting."
Is there anything in terms of grammar that tells us clearly that the saying
of those words and the dismissing are two different actions that happen in
succession? Or is it just that those words seem like inappropriate words to
use to close a meeting?
Webb Mealy
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