[B-Greek] KAI TAUTA EIPWN, Acts 19:40

Mark Lightman lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Mon Nov 19 00:28:13 EST 2007


The GENERAL rule is that aorist participles refer
  to actions occuring before the main verb whereas
  present/progressive participles refer to actions occuring
  at the same time as the main verb.  But there are many 
  exceptions to this rule.  There is nothing impossible about 
  your interpretation.
   
  But just glancing at a Greek concordance, I noticed that
  in Acts 20:26 the same construction, KAI TAUTA EIPWN,
  and in Acts 27:35 a very similar construction (EIPAS DE
  TAUTA) occur where clearly the actions follow and are 
  separate from the speeches.  On the other hand, Luke 
  uses the present TAUTA LEGWN in just such a construction as you
  suggest in Lk 11:45 ("by saying these things you also insult us.")
  So I think if Luke meant to say that the words dismissed the assembly 
  he would have used the present or maybe something like EV TAUTOIS
  LOGOIS.  But again, your translation is possible and if the text said this 
  to you, go for it!  
   
  Mark L.   
    

Webb Mealy <webb at selftest.net> wrote:
  KAI TAUTA EIPWN APELUSEN THN EKKLHSIAN (Acts 19:40)



On first reading this said to me,



"And with those words he dismissed the meeting."



But nobody seems to agree with me. People generally render it, 



"After saying these things he dismissed the meeting."



Is there anything in terms of grammar that tells us clearly that the saying
of those words and the dismissing are two different actions that happen in
succession? Or is it just that those words seem like inappropriate words to
use to close a meeting?



Webb Mealy

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