[B-Greek] subject in Rev 1:1
Beata Urbanek
beata.urbanek at op.pl
Mon Aug 18 14:10:45 EDT 2008
Thanks for all your answers.
I intend to go through the whole of the book, so you may hear from me soon.
Beata Urbanek
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edgar Foster" <edgarfoster2003 at yahoo.com>
To: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>; "B-Greek B-Greek"
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; "Iver Larsen" <iver_larsen at sil.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] subject in Rev 1:1
> Dear Iver,
>
> I've always found Revelation 22:6, 16 to be two interesting verses. Is
> Jesus the hO KURIOS, hO QEOS TWN PNEUMATWN TWN PROFHTWN of Revelation
> 22:6?
>
> The context of the passage certainly allows for Jesus being identified as
> the "Lord God" in Revelation 22:6, but one thing that strikes me as I read
> what leads up to the proclamation under discussion here is Revelation
> 21:22:
>
> καὶ ναὸν οὐκ εἶδον ἐν αὐτῇ, ὁ γὰρ κύριος ὁ θεὸς ὁ παντοκράτωρ ναὸς αὐτῆς
> ἐστιν, καὶ τὸ ἀρνίον [KAI NAON EIDON EN AUTH hO GAR hO QEOS hO PANTOKRATWR
> NAOS AUTHS ESTIN KAI TO ARNION].
>
> Also, we have Revelation 22:5:
>
> καὶ νὺξ οὐκ ἔσται ἔτι, καὶ οὐκ ἔχουσιν χρείαν φωτὸς λύχνου καὶ φωτὸς
> ἡλίου, ὅτι κύριος ὁ θεὸς φωτιεῖ ἐπ' αὐτούς, καὶ βασιλεύσουσιν εἰς τοὺς
> αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων [KAI NUX OUK ESTAI ETI KAI OUK ECOUSIN CREIAN FWTOS
> LUCNOU KAI FWTOS hHLIOU hOTI KURIOS hO QEOS FWTIEI EP' AUTOUS KAI
> BASILEUSOUSIN EIS TOUS AIWNAS TWN AIWNWN].
>
> In the first text, the distinction that the writer of the Apocalypse makes
> between TO ARNION and "the Lord God Almighty" seems fairly clear. In the
> second text, the referent of the words KURIOS hO QEOS may seem more
> questionable. But it would not seem unreasonable to perceive a nexus
> between the Lord God of Revelation 22:5 and hO KURIOS, hO QEOS TWN
> PNEUMATWN TWN PROFHTWN of v. 6.
>
> J. Ramsey Michaels (Revelation, page 250) views the language of Revelation
> 22:6 as an echo of Revelation 1:1: he thinks that Jesus will show HIS
> servants what will shortly transpire (p. 48). I tend to believe that God
> the Father is the referent of Revelation 22:6 and that God's servants are
> under discussion in Revelation 1:1.
>
> Regards,
> Edgar Foster
>
> --- On Sat, 8/16/08, Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org> wrote:
>
>> From: Iver Larsen <iver_larsen at sil.org>
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] subject in Rev 1:1
>> To: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>, "B-Greek B-Greek"
>> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Date: Saturday, August 16, 2008, 1:41 AM
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Oun Kwon" <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
>> To: "B-Greek B-Greek"
>> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>> Sent: 16. august 2008 08:16
>> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] subject in Rev 1:1
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Concerning 'His messenger'. It says Jesus
>> sending His messenger to the
>> > congregations in 22:16 as Iver pointed out.
>> >
>> > However, I find another verse 22:6 which reads
>> 'The Lord, the God of
>> > the spirits of the prophets sent His angel froth to
>> show His servant
>> > the things that must take place quickly.'
>> >
>> > I'm not sure how to reconcile both verses in
>> relation to 1:1.
>> >
>> > Oun.
>>
>> Since both hO KURIOS and hO QEOS can refer to either God
>> Almighty or Jesus in Revelation, the
>> reference in 22:6 is ambiguous. Rev. often disambiguates by
>> adding hO PANTOKRATHR if God Almighty is
>> in view. Here, the context indicates that the reference is
>> Jesus as the Lord and the God (master
>> over) the spirits of the prophets.
>>
>> Iver Larsen
>>
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