[B-Greek] Revelation 20:4: KAI confusion ....
Oun Kwon
kwonbbl at gmail.com
Tue Aug 19 11:10:31 EDT 2008
2008/8/19 Jonathan Robie <jwrobie at mindspring.com>
> I think I misread this:
>
> 04 Καὶ εἶδον θρόνους,
> καὶ ἐκάθισαν ἐπ αὐτούς,
> καὶ κρίμα ἐδόθη αὐτοῖς,
> καὶ τὰς ψυχὰς τῶν πεπελεκισμένων διὰ τὴν μαρτυρίαν Ἰησοῦ καὶ διὰ τὸν
> λόγον τοῦ θεοῦ,
> καὶ οἵτινες οὐ προσεκύνησαν τὸ θηρίον οὐδὲ τὴν εἰκόνα αὐτοῦ καὶ οὐκ
> ἔλαβον τὸ χάραγμα ἐπὶ τὸ μέτωπον καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν χεῖρα αὐτῶν·
> καὶ ἔζησαν καὶ ἐβασίλευσαν μετὰ τοῦ Χριστοῦ χίλια ἔτη.
>
> 04 KAI EIDON QRONOUS,
> KAI EKAQISAN EP AUTOUS,
> KAI KRIMA EDOQH AUTOIS,
> KAI TAS YUCAS TWN PEPELEKISMENWN DIA THN MARTURIAN IHSOU KAI DIA TON
> LOGON TOU QEOU,
> KAI hOITINES OU PROSEKUNHSAN TO QHRION OUDE THN EIKONA AUTOU KAI OUK
> ELABON TO CARAGMA EPI TO METWPON KAI EPI THN CEIRA AUTWN
> KAI EZHSAN KAI EBASILEUSAN META TOU CRISTOU CILIA ETH.
>
> He sees the thrones, and people seated on them, and they are given
> authority. καὶ τὰς ψυχὰς τῶν πεπελεκισμένων (KAI TAS YUCAS TWN
> PEPELEKISMENWN) ....
>
> In my mind's eye, I associated these people with those seated on the
> thrones, since they were both plural and nobody had told me yet who was
> seated on the thrones (except that they had been given KRIMA). And I
> have to admit, I still get confused about how to read KAI in
> constructions like this. Is there anything in the language or context
> that should make it clear that τὰς ψυχὰς τῶν πεπελεκισμένων (TAS YUCAS
> TWN PEPELEKISMENWN) are not the ones seated on the thrones?
>
> Jonathan
>
>
Thanks for an opportunity go over this verse which has been one of the few
enigmatic ones in N.T.
If I may stick my neck out first like this, it might be first to be axed ; -
)
This is my take:
yes, to me, they ARE the ones on thrones.
(On thrones, again in more figurative sense, same as 'having given
authority'. Without the article, it is not so much about their thrones as
such in focus, but their authority granted.)
The core of the verse is
" (A) KAI EIDON (QRNOUS ~ KAI TAS YUCAS ~);
(B) KAI EZHSAN KAI EBASILEUSAN ~ ".
(t~~ are all explanatory). Of course, (B) actually may function as an objcet
of EIDON (what he saw).
The clause about "those on thrones" tells something about those souls
(people), though it is curiously (awkwardly?) placed beforehand as if a
parenthetical announcement. Thus, I would like to take the KAI in this
parethetical clause (KAI EKAQISAN ~) as 'even/yes', rather than 'and'
(which has more for sequence of events).
Towards the end of the verse, we fined the KAI EZHSAN KAI EBASILEUSAN (these
became to life and reigned). This must be a refrain of the earier phrase
'they were seated and given authority to judge'. These people seems to
correspond to those in 6:9-11.
Oun Kwon.
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