[B-Greek] Webster's Koine Greek Dictionary
John Wilking
jcwilking at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 19 20:11:37 EDT 2008
Randall,
Yea. I didn't use the word Webster as an indication that Greek would have to follow English morphology in its forms for the main entries. I was thinking of the "general" format of a good dictionary.
The main point is to see a bilingual dictionary as a set of translations: individual sense meanings of words translated into distinct sense meanings via definitions, something that BDAG doesn't do a very good job of. It's an idea I ran by Noam Chomsky. Though the idea seems sound he didn't like it because it doesn't transfer surface structure complexity to the deep structure. But without surface complexity what would Carl Conrad have done for a living?
John
--- On Tue, 8/19/08, Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com> wrote:
> From: Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Webster's Koine Greek Dictionary
> To: jcwilking at yahoo.com
> Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 6:42 PM
> The title Webster's suggests that it is organized around
> something non-Greek.
> If it were organized around Greek and in Greek then you
> would need to
> make adjustments if translating. that is the nature of good
> translation.
>
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:13 AM, John Wilking
> <jcwilking at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Randall,
> >
> > I'm unclear about a couple things. The
> "wouldn't...shouldn't"? And why
> couldn't you have nice neat translations?
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Randall Buth
> <randallbuth at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Randall Buth <randallbuth at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Webster's Koine Greek Dictionary
> >> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org, "John
> Wilking" <jcwilking at yahoo.com>
> >> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 1:55 PM
> >> > From: John Wilking
> <jcwilking at yahoo.com>
> >> > Subject: [B-Greek] Webster's Koine Greek
> >> Dictionary
> >> >
> >> > If we were able to compile a monolingual
> dictionary, a
> >> Koine First Century Webster's, couldn't we
> convert
> >> it into a bilingual one simply by translating or
> adding
> >> translations to certain portions?
> >> >
> >> > John C. Wilking
> >>
> >> Your title gives some of your answer. You
> wouldn't or
> >> perhaps shouldn't
> >> have a "Webster's" project.
> >>
> >> Likewise, you probably wouldn't have a neat
> >> translation, since the way
> >> the Greek
> >> words would be self-categorized would likely prove
> to be
> >> different from simple
> >> glossing in another language. Translation can
> always be
> >> done, to be sure,
> >> but it would be trickier than might be imagined at
> first.
> >>
> >> when I work with Hebrew material in Hebrew,
> whether
> >> commentary, lexicon, or
> >> grammo-syntactical studies, they are different
> from what
> >> would be done in
> >> a non-Hebrew language because of the different
> assumptions
> >> that must be
> >> made about the competence of the audience or the
> choices
> >> within the
> >> language. Hebrew-Hebrew makes certain assumptions
> about the
> >> audience and that affects the way things are
> written.
> >> I suspect that the same thing would happen in
> Greek-Greek.
> >>
> >> On the other hand, you may be interested to know
> that Greek
> >> itself has a
> >> (modern) Greek translation of LIddell-Scott.
> >> Funny we haven't discussed this on list, or
> have we?,
> >>
> >> I don't own it or have it accessible,
> >> so I can't say what edition of LS was used or
> what kind
> >> of interesting
> >> differences or redundancies may have occurred in
> the
> >> process of production.
> >> That might make an interesting article, or may
> already have
> >> been written
> >> somewhere, probably in a modern Greek review. I
> don't
> >> even remember the
> >> approximate year of the Greek LS, it might be a
> hundred
> >> years old for all I can
> >> remember. I've seen it, curiously looked
> through some
> >> pages, and don't
> >> remember any specifics.
> >>
> >>
> >> ERRWSQE
> >> Randall Buth
> >> --
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