[B-Greek] HGGIKEN + EPI

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Mon Feb 4 18:19:09 EST 2008


It's fairly simple.  Hutton [not E. F.] propounds the view that in Luke HGGIKEN + EPI indicates "has come", but BDAG does not support that understanding.
 
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----- Original Message ----
From: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Cc: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2008 6:11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] HGGIKEN + EPI




2008/2/4 Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>:



On Feb 4, 2008, at 9:39 AM, George F Somsel wrote:

> What I don't see is that BDAG supports the NET assertion.
>
> ② to draw near in a temporal sense, draw near, come near, approach

> (POxy 1202, 8; w. dat., Epict. 3, 10, 14; Tat. 37:1). W. indications
> of time (KClark, JBL 59, '40, 367–83) the hour Mt 26:45; the day
> (Ezk 7:4; 12:23) Ro 13:12; Hb 10:25; the (feast) day GJs 1:2; 2:2;

> ὁ καιρός [hO KAIROS] (La 4:18; 1 Macc 9:10) Lk 21:8; cp. Mt
> 21:34; ὁ χρόνος [hO XRONOS] Ac 7:17; the Passover Lk 22:1;
> the end 1 Pt 4:7; the final stumbling-block B 4:3; cp. ending of Mk
> in the Freer ms. 8; the judgment GPt 7:25; destruction of the temple

> Lk 21:20; redemption vs. 28. μέχρι θανάτου ἐ. [MEXRI
> QANATOU E.] come close to dying Phil 2:30 (cp. Job 33:22; Sir 51:6
> ἤγγισεν ἕως θανάτου [HGGISEN hEWS QANATOU]).
> PKatz, TZ 5, '49, 7; ADebrunner, Mus. Helv. 11, '54, 58f.—Esp.

> of the approaching Reign of God: ἤγγικεν ἡ βασιλεία
> τῶν οὐρανῶν (or τοῦ θεοῦ) [HGGIKEN hH BASILEIA
> TWN OURANWN (or
> TOU QEOU)] Mt 3:2; 4:17; 10:7; Mk 1:15; Lk 10:9, 11
>
>
> Note that the reference for the passage is Lk 10.11 rather than

> 12.11.  BDAG specifically cites this verse in the sense of "drawing
> near" or "approaching" rather than "has come."


No, I don't think that BDAG actually "supports" the NET assertion.

What BDAG does -- in the portion of def. 2 that you omitted -- is cite
an article arguing that point: " (WHutton, ET 64, '52/53, 89–91:
HAS COME for the Lk passages)." BDAG simply indicates an alternative

view of EGGIZW in Luke that it doesn't support. NET pointed to it and
accepted Hutton's view, evidently. That I think is what Vasilis
Tsialis was stating more directly in his initial response to the
question of this thread:



 

I am a little confused:

Oun

When I checked BDAG it says p. 270 (right column) under 

 

1 (with circle around)  to move in space and so draw clore to a reference point, ....

   β. w. prep.: W. εις .....

                    W. ἐπὶ, τινα Lk 10:9 ....


 


 Oun Kwon.


 










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