[B-Greek] LYSAI ~ LYEIN and LOYSAI~LOYEIN

vasilis tsialas tsialas78 at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 12 04:51:39 EST 2008


In Greece, λύω is the standard paradigm for new students to learn the suffixes of the ancient language.
I believe that it is used because it is a regular verb, easy-to-remember due to its size and form.
After learning the suffixes of λύω, we proceed to more complicated or exceptional cases.
The fact that GNT doesn't have all the forms of λύω is not important. The important thing is
to keep in mind the formation in the different tenses.
Vasileios Tsialas,
 
Athens, Greece



> Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 16:07:07 +0200> From: randallbuth at gmail.com> To: cwconrad2 at mac.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org> Subject: [B-Greek] LYSAI ~ LYEIN and LOYSAI~LOYEIN> > >Moreover, the paradigm charts are generally constructed artificially> and likely to be inaccurate in some detail. For instance, most NT> Koine Grammars include a paradigm chart for the verb LUW and include> an aorist middle for this verb -- but there is no aorist middle of> this verb in NT Koine, so where do they get it? From older Greek. >> > If you remember a couple of months ago, I almost dropped LYSAI> from the paradigms in Living Koine Greek Part 2a.> LOYSASQAI was so much more natural.> > But I went back to LYSAI for a few reasons:> > a. I call forms like LELUMENON, and LYETAI 'middles' anyway.> According to form. MESH.> (Even when used in a passive sense! sort of like SE REFLECHIR verbs> in Romance languages)> so we have lots of LYEIN in MESH, just not many AORISTOS MESH.> > b. LXX has a middle LYSASQAI. Ex 3:5 has a classic example.> [but for some reason Accordance doesn't bring it up.]> Not to mention Ploutarchos, 1 c.> > c. LOYSASQAI has a problem with the passive being rare> and then with the less-common -SQHNAI ending on the passive.> > So I stayed with LYSAI as a summary paradigm,> though rearranged the columns to reflect the inherent aspectual system> a little more transparently.> > I was sad to do this because LOYSAI LOYEIN is much easier for Americans> to pronounce correctly.> They already say -OY- when they want to refer to -Y-,> in LYSAI LOYEIN> > (sorry for using Y = [y],> I am typing so much Greek these days that it is too confusing> to keep switching from the national Greek keyboard Y to b-greek U.> and I have enuf typos already!> In the Greek keyboard "U" is for theta, while Greek keyboard "Y" is upsilon.> The Q doesn't give as much trouble because it interchanges with an> accent in XP, ; in Mac.> W mega gives some trouble because I often write V in b-greek and need> to correct.)> > ERRWSO> IWANHS> > > > -- > Randall Buth, PhD> www.biblicalulpan.org> χάρις ὑμῖν καὶ εἰρήνη πληθυνθείη> שלום לכם וברכות> randallbuth at gmail.com> ---> B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek> B-Greek mailing list> B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek
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