[B-Greek] Second question re. codex Claromontanus
Ken Penner
ken.penner at acadiau.ca
Fri Feb 22 08:39:41 EST 2008
My previous note on Claromontanus reflects the books listed, not the contents of the codex. Interestingly, the two are not in agreement. For example, the codex does contain Hebrews, 1-2Thessalonians, and Philippians, but the list does not.
Ken
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Perry Stepp
> Sent: February 21, 2008 5:28 PM
> To: 'Mike Holmes'; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [B-Greek] Second question re. codex Claromontanus
>
> Thanks for the helpful replies, Mike & Ken, et. al.
>
> A second question, then: to the collective knowledge of the
> list, does any ancient source besides the Muratorian Fragment
> have the Pastoral letters in the order Titus - 1 Timothy - 2 Timothy?
>
> (And where the heck did I get the idea that Claromontanus had
> the alternate order? I wrote it in a paper, so I know I saw
> it somewhere. But alas, no
> footnote!)
>
> Perry L. Stepp, Ph.D.
>
> Dean, Sack School of Bible & Ministry
> Associate Professor, Bible & Theology
> Kentucky Christian University
>
> "Every once in a while, you get shown the light In the
> strangest of places, if you look at it right."
> --Robert Hunter, "Scarlet Begonias"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Holmes [mailto:holmic at bethel.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:04 PM
> To: Perry Stepp; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Question re. codex Claromontanus
>
> According to Reuben Swanson's edition of 2 Corinthians (New Testament
> Manuscripts: Variant Readings Arranged in Horizontal Lines
> against Codex
> Vaticanus: 2 Corinthians [Tyndale House and William Carey
> International University Press, 2005]), which gives in an
> appendix the order of the Pauline corpus in all the MSS that
> Swanson utilized in making his edition,
> Claromontanus/D06 reads as follows:
> Rom
> 1-2 Cor
> Gal
> Eph
> Col
> Philippians
> 1-2 Thess
> 1-2 Timothy
> Titus
> Philemon
> Hebrews
>
> C. R. Gregory (in his Prolegomena to Tischendorf's eighth ed
> of his NT)
> states: "Col praecedit Phil, et Heb sequitur Philem", thereby
> implicitly agreeing with Swanson re the rest of the list.
>
> There is also a list of biblical books--of uncertain date and
> provenance, and written in Latin--that was found *in* Codex
> Claromontanus (between Philemon and Hebrews); it lists the
> books of the OT and NT. In it the Pauline letters are as
> follows (full NT list in Metzger, Canon, pp.
> 310-311):
> Romans
> 1-2 Cor
> Gal
> Eph
> 1-2 Timothy
> Titus
> Col
> Philemon
>
> I mention this latter list mainly because one recent volume
> (L. McDonald, The Biblical Canon [Hendrickson, 2007] 451
> gives as the contents of Claromontanus / 06 not the contents
> of that manuscript, but instead the contents of that
> unusual--but unrelated--list that was found in the manuscript
> (probably following D. J. Theron, Evidence of Tradition
> [Baker, 1957] 122-3, who makes the same mistake).
>
> Mike Holmes
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Perry Stepp
> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 2:10 PM
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: [B-Greek] Question re. codex Claromontanus
>
> I've read somewhere that codex Claromontanus (D 06) has the
> Pastoral Epistles in the order Titus - 1 Timothy - 2 Timothy,
> the same order as the Muratorian Fragment.
>
> Is this correct? All the online discussions of Claromontanus
> seem to indicate that it follows the canonical order in the
> Pastorals.
>
> (I'm not even sure where I'd look to check on this info, so I
> thought I should ask the list.)
>
> ??
>
> PLS
>
> Perry L. Stepp, Ph.D.
>
> Dean, Sack School of Bible & Ministry
> Associate Professor, Bible & Theology
> Kentucky Christian University
>
> "Every once in a while, you get shown the light In the
> strangest of places, if you look at it right."
> --Robert Hunter, "Scarlet Begonias"
>
>
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