[B-Greek] 1 John 2:20

Sarah Madden sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
Fri Feb 22 19:34:51 EST 2008


Sean --
One cautionary note on Vine's, even though it has very excellent English
commentary:

The 1996 edition of Vine's (which is most likely the most recent edition)
was, I believe, updated to include Greek fonts, and this seemed to introduce
a ton of misspelled Greek words, which I researched, compiled, and sent to
Thomas Nelson Publishers in 2004. Probably I should resend it by snail mail
since I did not get a follow-up e-mail even though I did speak to someone
there about it and he was very interested in getting my list.

Since most serious Greek scholors probably don't refer to Vine's, this
oversight could continue for a long time, because people who don't read
Greek would not understand the errors. They would be paying attention to the
excellent comments in English and not notice that the Greek word itself is
misspelled. If you are interested, I can send you this list (it's 5 pages
long) -- anyone else can ask and I'll send it to you as well.

Here are some of the 95 (admittedly nit-picking) errors I found:


 Page

 Vine's Dictionary Entry (with my red correction)

 Corrected Word

 Vine's Typo

 Comment

 Strong's Number

123

Consider

(anatheōreō, avnaqewre,w)

avnaqewre,w

ANAQE*W*REW

avnaqere,w

ANAQEREW

Missing the first omega (w) (W) before the rho (r) (R).

333

89

Carnal

(sarkikos, sarkiko,j)

sarkiko,j

(This word won't work with B-Greek "font" because it involves sigmas, and
both sigmas become "S")

sarkiko,s

The final sigma (j) should be used at the end of the word, not the interim
sigma (s).

4559

118

Concord

(sumphōnēsis, sumfw,nhsij)

(SUMFWNH*S*IS)



sumfw,nhsij

SUMFWNH*S*IS)

sumfw,nhoij

SUMFWNH*O*IS)

In the last syllable, an omicron (o) (O) was used instead of a sigma (s)
(S).

4857


Sarah Madden
sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
Maryland


On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Sean Kelly <seank at microsoft.com> wrote:

> >I find it hard to conceive of any half-way respectable lexicon that
> >would not include this usage. EVEN that perhaps-most-readily-
> >accessed-and-generally-useless glossary of Barclay Newman about
> >which I have vented ad nauseam ... Of course beginners need help,
> >beginning students of Biblical Greek no less than kids learning to
> >ride a bicycle. But training wheels and an older person's supporting
> >hands have to give way if one is ever to go forward with
> >self-sustained and steady momentum ... Nor is it enough to acquire and
> >own a good lexicon; one needs to STUDY the entries for words...
>
> I must confess that the only lexicon I have can be found in the back of
> my Strong's Concordance. I imagine you might have equally glowing things
> to say about it as it generally tends to be very terse giving a two or
> three word definition and then a list of the ways it was translated in
> the NASB. How I would love to have a lexicon that would discuss the
> nuances
> that various case endings might bring to a noun or what weight the Present
> Active Subjunctive form adds to a particular verb. Or how context might
> lead to greater meaning, such as how Vine's describes the deeper meaning
> of ηκουσας in 2Tim2:2 because Timothy was to παραθου them to faithful men.
> TMI does not apply to Scripture as far as I am concerned. So all that
> said,
> as a man whose opinion on the matter I value greatly, is there a lexicon
> you would recommend?
>
> Sean Kelly
>
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