[B-Greek] ERXOMAI = return

Elizabeth Kline kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Wed Jan 2 00:59:09 EST 2008


Also of interest are Cunliffe's examples of ERXOMAI with AY, Iliad  
10:211, 13:175, Odyssey 10:244, 19:544.

Iliad 10:211

211 ταῦτά κε πάντα πύθοιτο, καὶ ἂψ  
εἰς ἡμέας ἔλθοι  212 ἀσκηθής·

211 TAUTA KE PANTA PUQOITO,
KAI AY EIS hHMEAS ELQOI 212 ASKHQHS:

Iliad  13:175
174 αὐτὰρ ἐπεὶ Δαναῶν νέες ἤλυθον  
ἀμφιέλισσαι, 175 ἂψ ἐς Ἴλιον ἦλθε,

174 AUTAR EPEI DANAWN NEES HLUQON AMFIELISSAI,
175 AY ES ILION HLQE,


Odyssey 10:244
244 Εὐρύλοχος δ’ ἂψ ἦλθε θοὴν ἐπὶ  
νῆα μέλαιναν,

244 EURULOCOS D' AY HLQE QOHN EPI NHA MELAINAN, {AY: AIY' in LCL:1919}

Odyssey 19:544

544 ἂψ δ’ ἐλθὼν κατ’ ἄρ’ ἕζετ’ ἐπὶ  
προὔχοντι μελάθρῳ,

544 AY D' ELQWN KAT' AR' hEZET' EPI PROUCONTI MELAQRWi,


These examples of ERXOMAI with AY could be used as evidence that  
ERXOMAI with the sense "to return, to come back" needed some help  
from AY.

Elizabeth Kline



On Jan 1, 2008, at 7:29 PM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:

>
> On Jan 1, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Jeffrey B. Gibson wrote:
>
>> In his entry in BDAG on ERXOMAI Danker notes that besides having the
>> meaning "come", it was also used   "Hom.+"  (from Homer forward)
>> "w[ith] the specif[ic]. m[eani]ng 'come back, return'".
>>
>>
>>      Also w. the specif. mng. come back, return (Hom.+; Bar 4:37; 1
>>      Esdr 5:8; Tob 2:3 BA) J 4:27; 9:7; Ro 9:9)
>>
>> Curiously, though, when I turn to LSJ, I find nothing there that
>> indicates that Homer, let alone any post Homeric author,  used  
>> ERXOMAI
>> to signify the "specific" meaning" that Danker says it bore.
>>
>> Is Danker wrong in this matter?  Or are there Homeric and post  
>> Homeric
>> instances outside of the ones he actually cites of ERXOMAI meaning
>> "return"?
>>
>> If so, what are they?
>>
>>
>>
>
> R.J.Cunliffe (p.161 #7) "to return, to come back or home" with a
> column inch of examples from Homer. I only had time to check a few
> examples Iliad 5:409, 8:12, 10:337,444?, 510, 14:504; Odyssey 1:168,
> 3:188, 4:82,478, 5:40, 10:244.
>
>
> Iliad 5:409
>
> οὐδὲ τὸ οἶδε κατὰ φρένα Τυδέος
> υἱὸς 407 ὅττι μάλ’ οὐ δηναιὸς ὃς
> ἀθανάτοισι μάχηται, 408 οὐδέ τί μιν
> παῖδες ποτὶ γούνασι παππάζουσιν 409
> ἐλθόντ’ ἐκ πολέμοιο καὶ αἰνῆς
> δηϊοτῆτος.
>
> OUDE TO OIDE KATA FRENA TUDEOS hUIOS
> 407 hOTTI MAL' OU DHNAIOS hOS AQANATOISI MACHTAI,
> 408 OUDE TI MIN PAIDES POTI GOUNASI PAPPAZOUSIN
> 409 ELQONT' EK POLEMOIO KAI AINHS DHIOTHTOS.
>
> Odyssey 1:168
>
> 166 νῦν δ’ ὁ μὲν ὣς ἀπόλωλε κακὸν
> μόρον, οὐδέ τις ἥμιν 167 θαλπωρή, εἴ
> πέρ τις ἐπιχθονίων ἀνθρώπων 168
> φῇσιν ἐλεύσεσθαι· τοῦ δ’ ὤλετο
> νόστιμον ἦμαρ.
>
> 166 NUN D' hO MEN hWS APOLWLE KAKON MORON, OUDE TIS hHMIN
> 167 QALPWRH, EI PER TIS EPICQONIWN ANQRWPWN
> 168 FHiSIN ELEUSESQAI: TOU D' WLETO NOSTIMON HMAR.
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>









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