[B-Greek] PROSTATHN PROSTATES

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 13 10:47:37 EST 2008


Jonathan Clerke <clerke at humanperformance.cc> wrote:

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However I don't understand the content of the following Greek. Could someone please give a translation? 




(=CIG I. 126) δοκιμα[ζέ]τω δὲ ὁ προστάτης [καὶ ὁ] ἀρχιερανιστὴς καὶ ὁ γραμματεὺς κα[ὶ οἱ] ταμίαι καὶ σύνδικοι [DOKIMA[[ZE]]TW DE hO PROSTATHS [[KAI hO]] ARXIERANISTHS KAI hO GRAMMATEUS KA[[I hOI]] TAMIAI KAI SUNDIKOI]: cf. SH Rom l.c., and Otto Priester ii. p. 75, n.1 See also CR i. p. 6, andField Notes p. 166.
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"Let the patron and the president [of the feast ?] and the scribe and the storekeepers and public defender examine [it]."
 
george
gfsomsel 
Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.
 
 - Jan Hus
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Thank you GeorgeThe Greek font in your message appeared fine.
It was helpful to know that PROSTATIS and PROSTATHS are not found in the NT, the LXX or the writings of the Apostolic fathers.


I should be able to get a hold of the 6th century AD reference by Foucart as described in the following words from your email:
ib. XI. 11501(vi/a.d.) ὁ θεὸς τοῦ προστάτου ἡμῶν τοῦ ἁγίου Φιλοξένου [hO QEOS TOU PROSTATOU hHMWN TOU hAGIOU FILOCENOU], “the god of Saint Philoxenus our patron.” The title is applied to the office-bearer in a heathen religious association in Foucart Associations Religieuses p. 202, No. 2034 (Imperial times).


However I don't understand the content of the following Greek. Could someone please give a translation? 




(=CIG I. 126) δοκιμα[ζέ]τω δὲ ὁ προστάτης [καὶ ὁ] ἀρχιερανιστὴς καὶ ὁ γραμματεὺς κα[ὶ οἱ] ταμίαι καὶ σύνδικοι [DOKIMA[[ZE]]TW DE hO PROSTATHS [[KAI hO]] ARXIERANISTHS KAI hO GRAMMATEUS KA[[I hOI]] TAMIAI KAI SUNDIKOI]: cf. SH Rom l.c., and Otto Priester ii. p. 75, n.1 See also CR i. p. 6, andField Notes p. 166.


Regards
Jonathan
P.S. UTF-8 definitely on!





On 12/01/2008, at 9:42 PM, George F Somsel wrote:

Χαῖρε,


First, I finally have been able to get the Yahoo Mail beta to work again so I can now send Greek again [or should be able to -- we shall see].

There is only one use of  προστάτις [PROSTATIS] in the NT, none in the LXX, and none in the Apostolic Fathers.   It does appear in the papyri and in a 6th cent work as is witnessed by Moulton and Milligan.

προστάτις [PROSTATIS]     4368
We can supply no instance of the fem. προστάτις [PROSTATIS] (Rom 16:2), “protectress,” “patroness,” from our sources, but the masc. προστάτης[PROSTATHS] is common in various connotations, e.g. BGU IV. 11362 (c. b.c. 11) Ἀπολλώνιος . . . Τρύφωνι . . προστάτηι ἐράν[ων χαίρειν [APOLLWNIOS … TRUFWNI … PROSTATHI ERAN[[WN XAIREIN]] ], P Oxy II. 2994 (late i/a.d.) Διονυσίῳ προσ[τ]άτῃ Νεμερῶν κέκρηκα (δραχμὰς) η [DIANNUSIWi PROS[[T]]ATHi NEMERWN KEKRHKA (DRAXMAS) H]̅, “I have also lent Dionysius, the chief man of Nemerae, 8 drachmae” (Edd.), and ib. XI. 11501(vi/a.d.) ὁ θεὸς τοῦ προστάτου ἡμῶν τοῦ ἁγίου Φιλοξένου [hO QEOS TOU PROSTATOU hHMWN TOU hAGIOU FILOCENOU], “the god of Saint Philoxenus our patron.” The title is applied to the office-bearer in a heathen religious association in Foucart
 Associations Religieuses p. 202, No. 2034 (Imperial times) (=CIG I. 126) δοκιμα[ζέ]τω δὲ ὁ προστάτης [καὶ ὁ] ἀρχιερανιστὴς καὶ ὁ γραμματεὺς κα[ὶ οἱ] ταμίαι καὶ σύνδικοι [DOKIMA[[ZE]]TW DE hO PROSTATHS [[KAI hO]] ARXIERANISTHS KAI hO GRAMMATEUS KA[[I hOI]] TAMIAI KAI SUNDIKOI]: cf. SH Rom l.c., and Otto Priester ii. p. 75, n.1 See also CR i. p. 6, andField Notes p. 166.
For the verb προστατέω [PROSTATEW], cf. P Petr II. 13(19)4 (c. b.c. 252) (= Witkowski, p. 18) where a son writes to his father, οὐ] μὴν οὐθὲν ἐμοὶ[ἔσται με]ῖζον ἢ σοῦ προστατῆσα[ι τὸν]ἐ[π]ίλοιπον βίον, ἀξίως [μὲ]ν σοῦ, ἀξίως δʼ ἐμοῦ [ [[OU]] MH OUQEN EMOI [[ESTAI ME]]IZWN H SOU PROSTATHSAI[[I TON]] E[[P]]ILOIPTON BION, ACIWS [[MEN]] SOU, ACIWS D' EMOU], “there will be nothing of more importance for me than to look after you for the remainder of life, in a manner worthy of you, and worthy of me”: for the subst. προστασία [PROSTASIA], cf. P Par 63113 (b.c. 164) (= P Petr III. p. 28) τοῦ προγεγραμμένου πλή(θο)υς προστασίαι [π]ροσεδρεύων [TOU PROGEGRAMMENOU PLH(QO)US PROSTASIAI [[P]]ROSEDREUWN], “putting pressure on the leaders of the persons just described” (Mahaffy): and for the adj
 προστατικός [PROSTATIKOS], cf. P Oxy XVI. 18571 (vi/vii a.d.) ἀπέσ̣τ̣ε̣ι̣λα τῇ ὑμετέρᾳ προστατικῇ μεγαλοπρεπείᾳ . . . [APESTEILA THi hUMETERAi PROSTATIKHi MEGALAPREPEIAi …], “I send to your protecting magnificence . .”

Moulton, J. H., & Milligan, G. (1930). The vocabulary of the Greek Testament. Issued also in eight parts, 1914-1929. (551). London: Hodder and Stoughton.





george
gfsomsel 
Therefore, O faithful Christian, search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.
 
- Jan Hus
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