[B-Greek] Help Translating John 1:18

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Jul 9 18:54:02 EDT 2008


Can there be any doubt that FILEW and AGAPAW are virtually synonymous?
20ὁ γὰρ πατὴρ φιλεῖ τὸν υἱὸν καὶ πάντα δείκνυσιν αὐτῷ ἃ αὐτὸς ποιεῖ, καὶ μείζονα τούτων δείξει αὐτῷ ἔργα, ἵνα ὑμεῖς θαυμάζητε.
20 hO GAR PATHR FILEI TON hUION KAI PANTA DEIKNUSIN AUTWi hA AUTOS POIEI, KAI MEIZONA TOUTWN DEICEI AUTWi ERGA, hINA QAUMAZHTE.
Jn 5.20

 george
gfsomsel


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learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


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----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Austin Reimer <jerry at lsm.org>
To: Revdougpickrel at aol.com; roncfay at hotmail.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 9, 2008 5:33:50 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Help Translating John 1:18

F.F.Bruce, a conservative and careful scholar, notes that when people like
R.C.Trench and B.F.Westcott (both, he says, argue from the standards of
classical Greek) differ as to the significance of these two synonyms AGAPAW
and FILEW, then he wonders if we should see such a distinct significance. He
says, "It is precarious, then, to press a distinction between the two
synonyms here." The Gospel & Epistles of John, p. 405. It is possible that
the lexical choice is stylistic without real semantic difference. Bruce
doubts that Jesus and Peter used different words even though John does. 

Jerry Reimer

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In a message dated 7/9/2008 3:17:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
roncfay at hotmail.com writes:

Yes,  the word love changes from FILEW (twice) to AGAPAW. At the same time,
please  note that the words for sheep and feed change also, and I really
doubt
anyone  holds to the theological significance of those words.

Hi Ron,

You're welcome.  May I share my thoughts here?

I believe Jesus is giving Peter a motive for service rather than restoring
him to service.

1) If you 'agapao' Me (unconditionally) 'tend My lambs':  lambs are  young
Christians new in Salvation and learning the word of God.  They need
nourishment daily.

2) If you 'agapao' Me (unconditionally) 'Shepherd My sheep': sheep  here are
maturing Christians but still need pasture, food and milk, they're  growing
in
faith.

3) Even if you 'phileo' Me like a brother 'Tend My sheep': here  the sheep
are elderly and must be hand fed and looked after constantly:  Christians
living
in a nursing home.

So, the motive for service is loving Jesus unconditionally, or as one love
his own family.

Doug.


Rev. Doug  Pickrel, Litt.D.
Tejas Valley
San Antonio,  Texas



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