[B-Greek] What to Read?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Sat Jul 19 12:57:28 EDT 2008


I would discourage the practice for somewhat more advanced students for the very reasons you give, but for rank beginners it might have some value.  That way they learn to distinguish the elements of the sentence.  It isn't altogether unknown for someone to attempt to make something other than a nominative the subject.

 george
gfsomsel


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----- Original Message ----
From: Eddie Mishoe <edmishoe at yahoo.com>
To: manuchon1 at free.fr; Sarah Madden <sarah.r.madden at gmail.com>
Cc: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:50:21 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] What to Read?

Sarah:

I would actually discourage students against this 'look for the verb then subject.' Read it as the Greeks read it... straight across. They put words in a specific order for a reason. Your method tends to see learning Greek as a way of converting the Greek into an English gloss-like translation procedure in English order. To me, if you ever want to master Greek, you will have to abandon this notion of "translation Greek."

Eddie Mishoe
Pastor


--- On Sat, 7/19/08, Sarah Madden <sarah.r.madden at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sarah Madden <sarah.r.madden at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] What to Read?
> To: manuchon1 at free.fr
> Cc: "B-Greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 12:42 PM
> Emmanuel--
> To read more fluidly, I find it useful to read aloud and to
> search for the
> verb first  then a noun in the nominative case. With these
> two elements, you
> often have the skeleton of the sentence. All of the other
> items
> (conjunctions, adverbs, adjectives) should feed this basic
> sentence outline.
> When I mentor fellow students as a TA, I encourage them to
> even highlight
> the verb on their paper copy, and they find this is
> extremely helpful.
> 
> Sarah
> sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
> Maryland. USA
> 
> On Fri, Jul 18, 2008 at 4:05 PM, <manuchon1 at free.fr>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks to all for you help.
> >
> > Another question : Have you any tips on
> "how" read ? Like in other
> > language, I search for conjunction. I begin to realize
> that seeing
> > "prepositionnal phrases" or
> "participial phrases" as a whole is useful. But
> > are there other thing to pay attention for ?
> >
> >
> > Concerning, the citation of Oscar Wilde "In
> France, nobody speaks English.
> >  In America, nobody speaks
> > English well." I think it's equaly true the
> other way : "in America nobody
> > speaks French. In France, nobody speaks French
> well" ;-)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Emmanuel
> > ----- Mail Original -----
> > De: "Mark Lightman"
> <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
> > À: "B-Greek B-Greek"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>, manuchon1 at free.fr
> > Envoyé: Jeudi 17 Juillet 2008 18:08:42 GMT +01:00
> Amsterdam / Berlin /
> > Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
> > Objet: Re: What to Read? (Was [B-Greek] Learning Greek
> (ad nauseam and for
> > the umpteenth time)
> >
> > If your goal is to understand the Greek NT and you
> want to read something
> > else in Greek, nothing comes close to the Apostolic
> Fathers.  Same vocab,
> > similar syntax, lots of LXX and even some NT quotes,
> and, for the most
> > part, these authors are TRYING to be understood, which
> I'm afraid I cannot
> > say the same for Sophocles or Thucydides.  I agree
> that the Enchirideon is
> > also worth reading.  There is a recent critical
> edition which includes the
> > Christian paraphrases, which I would recommend because
> they are a
> > little easier than the originial.
> >
> > You ask "So, what are your advices?"  I
> think we would say, "What is
> > your advice?"  But maybe your wording is better
> because you are unlikely
> > to get only ONE bit of advice on anything subject on
> this list.
> >
> > Mark L.
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/17/08, manuchon1 at free.fr
> <manuchon1 at free.fr> wrote:
> >
> > From: manuchon1 at free.fr <manuchon1 at free.fr>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Learning Greek (ad nauseam and
> for the umpteenth
> > time)
> > To: "B-Greek B-Greek"
> <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 1:27 AM
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> >
> > So, my question is more WHAT to read? With all that
> I've read of you, it
> > seems to me that reading classical greek is
> interesting. The point seems to
> > be
> > that, in reading, you will encounter a lot of
> expressions, ways of saying
> > things, not so common in the new testament, so when
> you see them you are
> > not
> > surprised by them but have mastered them. For the
> common expressions, ways
> > of
> > saying things, because they are common in the new
> testament, you will
> > encounter
> > them and will have the opportunities to master them!
> >
> > For the moment, I went through Mounce, have read about
> 2/3 of Wallace. In
> > my
> > lybrary there are : BDF, BAGD, Robertson is in its
> way.  I try to read the
> > pauline epistles, but I see that I can understand, not
> because I understand
> > the
> > greek but because I know some english or french
> translation of it. This is
> > not
> > really what I want...
> >
> > So, what are your advices? Are there some good reading
> course (Athenaze???)
> > ?
> > Or have I to buy Liddle-Scott, a classical grammar
> (Smyth?) and merely read
> > anything I want? Is there some Author or texts that
> your recommend (because
> > of
> > the vocabulary or anything else)?
> >
> > Thanks to all who will help me!
> >
> > Emmanuel Hechon
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