[B-Greek] TA PANTA in Ephesians 4:15

vasilis tsialas tsialas78 at hotmail.com
Tue Mar 18 05:15:02 EDT 2008




Wallace's Greek Grammar beyond the Basics (p. 203-4) classifiesthe accusative of Eph. 4:15 as "accusative of respect or (general) reference", that is, an adverbial use. According to the same book, such a use is also found in Matt 27:57 (τούνομα), John 6:10 (τον αριθμόν), Rom 10:5 (την δικαιοσύνην), Rev 1:20 (το μυστήριον), etc.
 
As regards the verb αυξάνω, though this can be either  transitive or intransitive,I think that biblical translators have choosen the meaning that is in accordance to the context:
 
Ephesians 4:12-15 (RSV)
.so that the body of Christ may be built upuntil we. become mature,
attaining to the whole measure.
Then we will no longer be infants.
we will in all things grow up.
 
 
Tsialas Vasileios
 
Athens, Greece





> From: eric.inman at wescorpflex.com> To: justusjcmylord at yahoo.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:06:44 -0500> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TA PANTA in Ephesians 4:15> > I take AUXHSWMEN as transitive with TA PANTA as its direct object, hence "we> will cause all things to grow up into him," which I think happens to mean> the same thing as "we will in all things grow up in him." The latter would> be more natural English, I think.> > Eric Inman> > -----Original Message-----> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Hugh Donohoe Jr.> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 9:38 PM> To: blist greek> Subject: [B-Greek] TA PANTA in Ephesians 4:15> > I read through Ephesians this week. It was the first> time I had read through it while doing a detailed> syntactical analysis. I notice now when I come across> a construction that makes me scratch my head,> inevitably there is divergence in how the different> translations deal with it. TA PANTA was another> example of this. Here is the verse:> > ALHQEUONTES DE EN AGAPHi AUXHSWMEN EIS AUTON TA PANTA> > I made quick scan of the many times Paul uses TA> PANTA. He consistently uses the idiom with an "all> things" idea and in situations in which there is no> ambiguity about what he meant. I am not challenging an> "all things" idea here. It just cannot English it in a> way that is intelligible. And I am not sure exactly> what Paul meant which is another reason why I am> vacillating on how to view the phrase. Another factor> is the preposition EIS. EIS PANTA has an "in every> way, in all respects" idea. But does the definite> article still make the idiom valid? Several modern> translations have gone this route. Incidentally I> tried to do a quick scan of the NT and the LXX for the> phrase EIS with TA PANTA. I did not find any. But it> was not a fastidious effort. So what is the> relationship between EIS, AUTON, and TA PANTA?> Ultimately, this will decide the meaning.> > ex animo> > Hugh Donohoe> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________> ________> Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping> ---> B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek> B-Greek mailing list> B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek> > ---> B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek> B-Greek mailing list> B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek
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