[B-Greek] Jussive Dative?

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Mar 19 20:28:00 EDT 2008


It immediately seemed to me that you were mixing apples and oranges since "jussive" refers to a 3rd person imperative (which I'm familiar with from Hebrew, but don't recall seeing in Greek) while "dative" is a case in which nouns, adjectives and participles may be found so I searched Leaf's commentary and found these references

Searched selected documents for "jussive"     
5 from Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900)

   1. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 9, commline 620
      Observe the four consecutive datives: instrumental, jussive, modal, and ‘commodi. (9.26)

   2. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 10, commline 238
      : some have taken it as a ‘jussive’ future, but this does not seem in place here. (11.11)

   3. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 19, commline 208
      The fut. is defended by Hentze as representing a ‘jussive’ or permissive (27.56)

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   4. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 24, commline 704
      The ‘jussive’ future expresses the indifference of the speaker, e.g. , and is thus out of place here. (9.26)

   5. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 24, commline 717
      , here the ‘jussive’ or rather concessive future, expressing ‘then I shall say nothing against your taking your fill. (17.72)

Note that none of these conjoins "jussive" with "dative."  I think you must have misunderstood something.
 
george
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----- Original Message ----
From: Edgar Foster <edgarfoster2003 at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek list <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:28:04 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Jussive Dative?

Dear B-Greekers,

I've been translating certain books of the Iliad with
some colleagues of mine and we use Leaf's commentary
to help us understand what transpiring in certain
parts of the Iliad. While translating book 9 of the
Iliad, we ran across some terminology in Leaf that had
us befuddled. Leaf talks about a "jussive dative," if
I am not mistaken. While his explanation of what a
jussive dative is supposed to be, I would like to ask
if anyone else on the list has run across this
terminology before. I'm sorry that I do not have the
exact quote, but I can supply it later. I tried to
access Leaf's commentary through Perseus, but the site
gave me problems. I guess my questions are what is a
jussive dative and is this standard terminology in
Greek studies? I've tried finding this nomenclature in
other grammars and might have just overlooked it.

Thanks in advance,

Edgar Foster


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