[B-Greek] Jussive Dative?

Bill Barton phos at windstream.net
Thu Mar 20 00:02:37 EDT 2008


On Wednesday, March 19, 2008 at 8:28 PM, George F Somsel wrote:

>It immediately seemed to me that you were mixing apples and oranges since
>"jussive" refers to a 3rd person imperative (which I'm familiar with from
>Hebrew, but >don't recall seeing in Greek) while "dative" is a case in
>which nouns, adjectives and participles may be found so I searched Leaf's
>commentary and found these >references

>Searched selected documents for "jussive"
>5 from Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900)

>   1. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 9, commline 620
>      Observe the four consecutive datives: instrumental, jussive, modal,
> and ‘commodi. (9.26)

>   2. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 10, commline 238
>     : some have taken it as a ‘jussive’ future, but this does not seem in
> place here. (11.11)

>   3. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 19, commline 208
>      The fut. is defended by Hentze as representing a ‘jussive’ or
> permissive (27.56)

>      Collapse Less
>   4. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 24, commline 704
>      The ‘jussive’ future expresses the indifference of the speaker, e.g.
> , and is thus out of place here. (9.26)

>   5. Walter Leaf, Commentary on the Iliad (1900) book 24, commline 717
>      , here the ‘jussive’ or rather concessive future, expressing ‘then I
> shall say nothing against your taking your fill. (17.72)

> Note that none of these conjoins "jussive" with "dative."  I think you
> must have misunderstood something.


Evans ("Verbal Syntax in the Greek Pentateuch," Oxford, p. 67) notes the
following:

"The imperative is employed in a similar fashion by the two languages [Greek
and Hebrew], though the third person imperative of Greek operates in the
territory of the Hebrew jussive) ..."

http://books.google.com/books?id=3OKcprkuElQC&pg=PA185&lpg=PA185&dq=jussive+dative+greek&source=web&ots=U519VwfF54&sig=jFRc0L-6xpQfwWnz7_jHvKUcVYY&hl=en#PRA2-PA67,M1

I'd heard the term "jussive" (Latin "iubeo," I command) applied to
Latin and Hebrew, but never applied to Greek.  So the reference from Leaf 
given
by Edgar Foster and George F Somsel (which speaks of the dative in the 
context of the
jussive) is new to me.


Regards,

Bill Barton

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