[B-Greek] MORE TYPOS -- how about Vine's Greek words?
Sarah Madden
sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
Wed Nov 19 14:56:38 EST 2008
Speaking of typos -- does anyone have a good contact with the publisher of
Vine's? I found a number of Greek typos when they updated their version and
wrote in Greek letters the words that had formerly only been
transliterated. Unfortunately, the Greek words contained many misspellings.
I e-mailed my findings to them, but haven't heard back. This was a while
ago.
My guess is that many people use Vine's who don't necessarily know Greek, so
this would not be noticed. The people who do know Greek don't usually
consult Vine's but when they do, they might not be looking at the Greek
word, just the excellent research.
Sarah
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sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:45 PM, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thank you. I will report it as a typo to be corrected.
> george
> gfsomsel
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> From: Matthew Williams <kopio at comcast.net>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:39:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Etymological fallacy?
>
>
> After consulting my hard copy of Moulton and Milligan, it does appear
> that whoever the particular scribe is that digitized the text, in
> fact made a scribal error! Oops...sorry, this isn't the TC list ;^)
>
> Only one KAT' appears in the hard copy.
>
> --Matt Williams
>
>
> On Nov 19, 2008, at 10:20 AM, b-greek-request at lists.ibiblio.org wrote:
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:02:47 -0800 (PST)
> > From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Etymological fallacy?
> > To: Stephen Baldwin <stbaldwi at hotmail.com>, Carl Conrad
> > <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>, B- Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <796675.72479.qm at web38506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> > While it is clearly an "exegetical fallacy" to use?the etymology of
> > EKKLHSIA in order to posit that the church consists of "called out
> > ones", when one goes back to the earlier usage among the Greeks
> > there may be a real basis for connecting this with the concept of
> > calling out.? Moulton and Milligan deal with the papyrological
> > findings mainly from Oxyrhynchus in Egypt and late in relation to
> > early Greek, but they have an interesting comment on the word
> >
> > ?
> > [Page 195] ???????? [EKKLHSIA]?????1577
> > For the Biblical history of the word ???????? [EKKLHSIA], which
> > meant originally any public assembly of citizens summoned by a
> > herald, it is sufficient to refer to Hort, The Christian Ecclesia,
> > p. 1 ff. It is the LXX term for the community of Israel, whether
> > assembled or no. In the Gospels the word is confined to Mt 16:18,
> > 18:17, where it denotes Christ?s new ???????? [EKKLHSIA], as
> > distinguished from the old. Deissmann (?LAE? p. 112ff.) has
> > emphasized the significance of the fact that the Latin-speaking
> > people of the West, to whom Christianity came, did not translate
> > the word, but simply borrowed it, and cites an interesting
> > bilingual inscr. of a.d.103?4, found in the theatre of Ephesus,
> > which refers to the gift by a Roman official of a silver image of
> > Artemis (cf. Ac 19:24) and other
> > statues???? ???????? ??? ???? ?????????[hINA TIQHNTAI KAT KAT'
> > EKKLHSIAN] ** (cf. Ac 14:23) ?? ??
> > ?????? ??? ??? ??????[EN TWi QEATRWi EPI TWN BASEWN],?or, in the
> > parallel text, ita ut [om]n[i e]cclesia supra bases ponerentur.
> > Other reff. to ?????????[EKKLHSIAI] in the theatre at Ephesus will
> > be found s.v.???????[QEATRON].?For the ?inclusive? as distinguished
> > from the ?exclusive? character of the Greek ????????[EKKLHSIA] (cf.
> > Hicks ?CR? i. p. 43), we may cite the case of an ????????[EKKLHSIA]
> > summoned at Apamea????????? ???????? ?????????[AGOMENHS PANDHMOU
> > EKKLHSIAS], which the editor Cagnat (note on IV. 7917) describes
> > as ?concilium totius populi Apamensis, civium cum Graecorum, tum
> > Romanorum?: see also Ramsay ?C. and B.? ii. p. 465, where the
> > inscr. is dated as perhaps of the time of Vespasian and Titus. ?
> > MGr? ??????(?)? [EKKLHS(I)A].
> > ?
> > Moulton, J. H., & Milligan, G. (1930). The vocabulary of the Greek
> > Testament. Issued also in eight parts, 1914-1929. (195). London:
> > Hodder and Stoughton.
> > ?
> > My point here being that the assembly was originally?called by a
> > herald.? Please remember, however, that "assembly" would be the
> > concept understood for the word EKKLHSIA in the NT and not "called
> > out."
> >
> > Is KAT KAT' here a typo?? Does anyone have the dead tree version?
> > ?george
> > gfsomsel
> >
> >
> > ? search for truth, hear truth,
> > learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> > defend the truth till death.
> >
> >
> > - Jan Hus
> > _________
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