[B-Greek] Jude 3
Vasile Stancu
stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
Sat Nov 29 16:03:03 EST 2008
I would compare the circumstances of James with a situation which may be at
times true today. Suppose a preacher is planning to deliver his next sermon
on the harmony of the gospels, and suddenly the fact becomes evident that a
prominent member of the congregation has already convinced a number of the
members that, in order to be saved, before becoming Christians, all men have
to be circumsised. I believe the preacher would give up his plan - even
though he might have already delivered a consistent series of sermons on the
harmony of the gospels - and direct his attention to a more urgent need,
i.e., correcting the error that is just occuring and is bound to put serious
threats on the whole congregation.
The THS KOINHS HMWN SWTERIAS is, I believe, related to situations where the
life and teaching of the church is developing relatively smoothly, without
immediate or dangerous hindrances.
Vasile STANCU
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Subject: [B-Greek] Jude 3
Exegetes of this verse often assume two different topics that Jude had been
willing to write about, one being the common salvation and one being the
exhortation to battle for the faith. This seems to be the reason for your
stressing the word BUT.
BUT I think the Greek text gives two reasons for thinking that it is one and
the same topic that Jude was willing to write about:
First, I question whether THS KOINHS (hJMWN) SWTHRIAS should be rendered
'common salvation'. In fact, these words are the Greek translation of the
Latin terminus technicus 'salus communis', being understood as 'common
welfare', especially in the political sense of the common welfare under the
protection of the Roman Empire. In short: the words are to be understood as
synonym for 'national security / safety' (I don't know which one is the
appropriate English word, but I'm sure you will understand me).
So, I suppose, Jude is using this political expression giving it an
ecclesiastic meaning: he was going to write about the ecclesiastic security,
because this security was threatened by TINES ANQRWPOI (Jude 4). And just
this threatening of the ecclesiastic security is the reason for PASAN
SPOUDHN POIOUMENOS GRAFEIN.
Second, since a present participle is used to be translated as simultaneous
with the main verb of the clause, I understand Jude being worried about the
situation in the church / congregation, and WHILE thinking about what to
write about this topic, he was urged to write an exhortation.
So I should not translate 'in haste', but 'in my diligence / seriousness to
write about our / your (see variants) common security (having in mind the
security of the church / congregation), I felt the urge necessity to write
you with the exhortation to ....'
Michel Pauw
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:02:05 -0500
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Subject: [B-Greek] Jude 3
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In Jude 3, we read,
AGAPHTOI PASAN SPOUDHN POIOUMENOS GRAFEIN hUMIN PERI THS KOINHS hHMWN
SWTHRIAS ANAGKHN ESCON GRAYAI hUMIN PARAKALWN EPAGWNIZESQAI THi hAPAX
PARADOQEISHi TOIS hAGIOIS PISTEI
1.? What is the sense of this verse?? Is it:
a.? In haste I write this; the reason is that it is necessary that?
b.? I was eager to write of salvation, BUT then I determined that I needed
to write instead to?
c.? something else.
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