[B-Greek] Subject: Greek courses

House mark at househouse.us
Thu Oct 2 20:24:42 EDT 2008


Here's the link for Reformed Theological Seminary's Virtual Greek Program:

http://rtsv.rts.edu/courses/nt/greek/new/greek1/

Mark House

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> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:27:47 +0200
> From: Rolf Furuli <furuli at online.no>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Greek courses
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> A friend of mine asked if there are any  introductory courses in New
> Testament Greek that he could participate in via the Internet?
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> Best regards,
>
> Rolf Furuli Ph.D
> University of Oslo
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> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:47:56 +0900
> From: "Vasile Stancu" <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] FW:  Greek NT audio--attitude of modern Greeks
> To: "'Nikolaos Adamou'" <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>
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> Yet we have today a translation of the Greek NT into Modern Greek. This 
> means perhaps that not every Greek today can readily understand Koine, 
> Homeric or Classical Greek. My question is, if a Greek must study before 
> he understands these, and having in mind that there were several changes 
> regarding Greek Phonetics over time, are such phonetic features taken into 
> account in the related educational programs?
>
>
>
> When I started to study Koine Greek, after having noticed that there were 
> discouraging signals form various persons that one could choose any system 
> he wants rather than looking for the "one correct" system, I wrote to 
> somebody in Greece kindly asking to prepare for me a sample of reading of 
> the first eight or ten verses in the book of Genesis, which he has not yet 
> done. Moreover, he said to me that he was not really a specialist in 
> Ancient Greek. (I wanted to get a sample so that I may try to immitate the 
> specific sounds of the Greek language). My position is therefore that of a 
> student looking for some help.
>
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>
> Vasile STANCU
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> From: Nikolaos Adamou [mailto:nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:53 AM
> To: Vasile STANCU
> Subject: RE: [B-Greek] FW: Greek NT audio--attitude of modern Greeks
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> Greek is one language through 20 centuries.
> The continuation is more significant than the changes.
> The most serious difference is from Homer to the Classical period.
> Sounds did not change.
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>> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:43:44 +0200
>> From: stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: [B-Greek] FW: Greek NT audio--attitude of modern Greeks
>>
>> I would be indeed very happy to learn Ancient Greek pronounciation the 
>> way a Greek would do. Are there any audio samples available? How are the 
>> young Greek students of today taught the pronounciation of Ancient Greek?
>>
>> Vasile STANCU
>>
>> 2008/9/29 Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>:
>> >
>> ...
>>
>> Erasmian does not preserve this quality, and thus becomes
>> > cacophonic.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > Besides all the rational points I made above, as a native Greek, I 
>> > found
>> > quite offensive when non Greeks like Erasmus and his followers to tell 
>> > us
>> > how our language should be pronounced. But this is just an emotional 
>> > point
>> > that does not count.
>> >
>>
>> ...
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> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:54:54 -0700
> From: "+Fr Patrick B O'Grady" <fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Subject and object in a nominal sentence
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> this is of special interest to me, as well, but especially in the
> occurances where the nominal sentences have no article. My Greek
> Sprachgefuehl tells me that the following:
> QEOS KURIOS KAI EPEFANEN hHMIN... means *The LORD is God and He has
> revealed Himself to us*
> This is the refrain in Orthodox service of Matins, drawn from Psalm 117
> (LXX).
> The position of the nouns in this sentence, both anarthrous, indicates
> for me KURIOS as subject and QEOS as predicate. However, in your
> example, O QEOS AGAPH (even if no ESTIN), the subject is indicated by
> the article. But where such a discussion could be found, I do not know.
> Fr Patrick B. O'Grady
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:39:06 -0700 (PDT), "Kenneth Litwak"
> <javajedi2 at yahoo.com> said:
>>   Where can I find a detailed discussion of the principles for deciding
>>   in a sentence, where there is a subject in the nominative and a
>>   predicate noun in the nominative, which of the two nouns is the
>>   subject? I gather that if there is one with a definite article, that
>>   that is the subject, but I'm not sure that this is always the case,
>>   given that some nouns simply have the article even if we would not use
>>   it in English, so that might not be any basis for deciding. So, for
>>   example, how do we know that in 1 John 4:8, (O QEOS AGAPH ESTIN is "God
>>   is love," rather than "love is God"?  Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
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> from the devil to God, through discipline and effort." -- St. John of 
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> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:28:30 +0900
> From: "Vasile Stancu" <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Subject and object in a nominal sentence
> To: "'+Fr Patrick B O'Grady'" <fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm>,
> <javajedi2 at yahoo.com>, <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Here are some other cases:
>
> OUDEIS DUNATAI EIPEIN, KURIOS IHSOUS, EI MH... (1Co 12:3)
> PASA GLWSSA ECOMOLOGHSETAI OTI KURIOS IHSOUS XRISTOS... (Flp 2:11)
>
> It seems to me that one of the rules that govern such contructions could 
> be:
> <Equally valid and homologous statements whether one or the other word
> serves as subject/predicate: "the lord is Jesus", or "Jesus is lord" - I
> perceive no essential difference. On the other hand, it is logical that
> something like "No one can utter, 'Lord Jesus', unless..." is not a 
> feasible
> meaning of the sentence.>
>
> Vasile STANCU
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of +Fr Patrick B
> O'Grady
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:55 AM
> To: javajedi2 at yahoo.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Subject and object in a nominal sentence
>
> this is of special interest to me, as well, but especially in the
> occurances where the nominal sentences have no article. My Greek
> Sprachgefuehl tells me that the following:
> QEOS KURIOS KAI EPEFANEN hHMIN... means *The LORD is God and He has
> revealed Himself to us*
> This is the refrain in Orthodox service of Matins, drawn from Psalm 117
> (LXX).
> The position of the nouns in this sentence, both anarthrous, indicates
> for me KURIOS as subject and QEOS as predicate. However, in your
> example, O QEOS AGAPH (even if no ESTIN), the subject is indicated by
> the article. But where such a discussion could be found, I do not know.
> Fr Patrick B. O'Grady
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:39:06 -0700 (PDT), "Kenneth Litwak"
> <javajedi2 at yahoo.com> said:
>>   Where can I find a detailed discussion of the principles for deciding
>>   in a sentence, where there is a subject in the nominative and a
>>   predicate noun in the nominative, which of the two nouns is the
>>   subject? I gather that if there is one with a definite article, that
>>   that is the subject, but I'm not sure that this is always the case,
>>   given that some nouns simply have the article even if we would not use
>>   it in English, so that might not be any basis for deciding. So, for
>>   example, how do we know that in 1 John 4:8, (O QEOS AGAPH ESTIN is "God
>>   is love," rather than "love is God"?  Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
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> "Repentance is the returning from the unnatural into the natural state, 
> from
> the devil to God, through discipline and effort." -- St. John of Damascus
> (8th century)
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