[B-Greek] Subject: Online Greek courses
John Schwandt
jschwandt at nsa.edu
Fri Oct 3 02:32:08 EDT 2008
Here is one more for the list (and tooting my own horn).
www.biblicalgreek.org/classes/web/ has a yearly online course that uses
Oxford's Athenaze text and Randall Buth's reconstructed historical Greek
pronunciation system.
John Schwandt
Senior Fellow New Saint Andrews College
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[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Kevin W. Woodruff
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:37 PM
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; House
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Subject: Greek courses
Our seminary is also offering Greek via the Internet at
http://www.ttuonline.com/seminary.asp
Prof. Kevin W. Woodruff, M.Div., M.S.I.S.
Library Director/Reference Librarian, Assistant Professor of Bible, Greek,
Theological Bibliography and Research
Tennessee Temple University/Temple Baptist Seminary, 1815 Union Ave.
Chattanooga, Tennessee 37404, United States of America
423/493-4252 (office) 423/698-9447 (home) 423/493-4497 (FAX)
Cierpke at prodigy.net http://pages.prodigy.net/cierpke/woodruff.htm
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From: House <mark at househouse.us>
Subject: [B-Greek] Subject: Greek courses
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Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 8:24 PM
Here's the link for Reformed Theological Seminary's Virtual Greek
Program:
http://rtsv.rts.edu/courses/nt/greek/new/greek1/
Mark House
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> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:27:47 +0200
> From: Rolf Furuli <furuli at online.no>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Greek courses
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> A friend of mine asked if there are any introductory courses in New
> Testament Greek that he could participate in via the Internet?
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rolf Furuli Ph.D
> University of Oslo
>
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> Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:47:56 +0900
> From: "Vasile Stancu" <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] FW: Greek NT audio--attitude of modern Greeks
> To: "'Nikolaos Adamou'"
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> Yet we have today a translation of the Greek NT into Modern Greek. This
> means perhaps that not every Greek today can readily understand Koine,
> Homeric or Classical Greek. My question is, if a Greek must study before
> he understands these, and having in mind that there were several changes
> regarding Greek Phonetics over time, are such phonetic features taken into
> account in the related educational programs?
>
>
>
> When I started to study Koine Greek, after having noticed that there were
> discouraging signals form various persons that one could choose any system
> he wants rather than looking for the "one correct" system, I
wrote to
> somebody in Greece kindly asking to prepare for me a sample of reading of
> the first eight or ten verses in the book of Genesis, which he has not yet
> done. Moreover, he said to me that he was not really a specialist in
> Ancient Greek. (I wanted to get a sample so that I may try to immitate the
> specific sounds of the Greek language). My position is therefore that of a
> student looking for some help.
>
>
>
> Vasile STANCU
>
>
>
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> From: Nikolaos Adamou [mailto:nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:53 AM
> To: Vasile STANCU
> Subject: RE: [B-Greek] FW: Greek NT audio--attitude of modern Greeks
>
>
>
> Greek is one language through 20 centuries.
> The continuation is more significant than the changes.
> The most serious difference is from Homer to the Classical period.
> Sounds did not change.
>
>
>
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>> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:43:44 +0200
>> From: stancu at mail.dnttm.ro
>> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>> Subject: [B-Greek] FW: Greek NT audio--attitude of modern Greeks
>>
>> I would be indeed very happy to learn Ancient Greek pronounciation the
>> way a Greek would do. Are there any audio samples available? How are
the
>> young Greek students of today taught the pronounciation of Ancient
Greek?
>>
>> Vasile STANCU
>>
>> 2008/9/29 Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>:
>> >
>> ...
>>
>> Erasmian does not preserve this quality, and thus becomes
>> > cacophonic.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> > Besides all the rational points I made above, as a native Greek,
I
>> > found
>> > quite offensive when non Greeks like Erasmus and his followers to
tell
>> > us
>> > how our language should be pronounced. But this is just an
emotional
>> > point
>> > that does not count.
>> >
>>
>> ...
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> Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 16:54:54 -0700
> From: "+Fr Patrick B O'Grady"
<fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Subject and object in a nominal sentence
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> this is of special interest to me, as well, but especially in the
> occurances where the nominal sentences have no article. My Greek
> Sprachgefuehl tells me that the following:
> QEOS KURIOS KAI EPEFANEN hHMIN... means *The LORD is God and He has
> revealed Himself to us*
> This is the refrain in Orthodox service of Matins, drawn from Psalm 117
> (LXX).
> The position of the nouns in this sentence, both anarthrous, indicates
> for me KURIOS as subject and QEOS as predicate. However, in your
> example, O QEOS AGAPH (even if no ESTIN), the subject is indicated by
> the article. But where such a discussion could be found, I do not know.
> Fr Patrick B. O'Grady
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:39:06 -0700 (PDT), "Kenneth Litwak"
> <javajedi2 at yahoo.com> said:
>> Where can I find a detailed discussion of the principles for
deciding
>> in a sentence, where there is a subject in the nominative and a
>> predicate noun in the nominative, which of the two nouns is the
>> subject? I gather that if there is one with a definite article, that
>> that is the subject, but I'm not sure that this is always the
case,
>> given that some nouns simply have the article even if we would not
use
>> it in English, so that might not be any basis for deciding. So, for
>> example, how do we know that in 1 John 4:8, (O QEOS AGAPH ESTIN is
"God
>> is love," rather than "love is God"? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
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> "Repentance is the returning from the unnatural into the natural
state,
> from the devil to God, through discipline and effort." -- St. John of
> Damascus (8th century)
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 01:28:30 +0900
> From: "Vasile Stancu" <stancu at mail.dnttm.ro>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Subject and object in a nominal sentence
> To: "'+Fr Patrick B O'Grady'"
<fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm>,
> <javajedi2 at yahoo.com>, <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Here are some other cases:
>
> OUDEIS DUNATAI EIPEIN, KURIOS IHSOUS, EI MH... (1Co 12:3)
> PASA GLWSSA ECOMOLOGHSETAI OTI KURIOS IHSOUS XRISTOS... (Flp 2:11)
>
> It seems to me that one of the rules that govern such contructions could
> be:
> <Equally valid and homologous statements whether one or the other word
> serves as subject/predicate: "the lord is Jesus", or "Jesus
is lord" - I
> perceive no essential difference. On the other hand, it is logical that
> something like "No one can utter, 'Lord Jesus',
unless..." is not a
> feasible
> meaning of the sentence.>
>
> Vasile STANCU
>
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> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of +Fr Patrick B
> O'Grady
> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:55 AM
> To: javajedi2 at yahoo.com; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Subject and object in a nominal sentence
>
> this is of special interest to me, as well, but especially in the
> occurances where the nominal sentences have no article. My Greek
> Sprachgefuehl tells me that the following:
> QEOS KURIOS KAI EPEFANEN hHMIN... means *The LORD is God and He has
> revealed Himself to us*
> This is the refrain in Orthodox service of Matins, drawn from Psalm 117
> (LXX).
> The position of the nouns in this sentence, both anarthrous, indicates
> for me KURIOS as subject and QEOS as predicate. However, in your
> example, O QEOS AGAPH (even if no ESTIN), the subject is indicated by
> the article. But where such a discussion could be found, I do not know.
> Fr Patrick B. O'Grady
>
> On Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:39:06 -0700 (PDT), "Kenneth Litwak"
> <javajedi2 at yahoo.com> said:
>> Where can I find a detailed discussion of the principles for
deciding
>> in a sentence, where there is a subject in the nominative and a
>> predicate noun in the nominative, which of the two nouns is the
>> subject? I gather that if there is one with a definite article, that
>> that is the subject, but I'm not sure that this is always the
case,
>> given that some nouns simply have the article even if we would not
use
>> it in English, so that might not be any basis for deciding. So, for
>> example, how do we know that in 1 John 4:8, (O QEOS AGAPH ESTIN is
"God
>> is love," rather than "love is God"? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Ken
>>
>>
>>
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> "Repentance is the returning from the unnatural into the natural
state,
> from
> the devil to God, through discipline and effort." -- St. John of
Damascus
> (8th century)
>
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