[B-Greek] Aorist Future - Jn 13:31-32

Elizabeth Kline kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Sat Oct 4 16:18:13 EDT 2008


On Oct 3, 2008, at 11:56 PM, Iver Larsen wrote:

> In my view the confusion stems from questionable assumptions about  
> the reference intended for
> EDOXASQH, as if the reference was future ...
> ... So, when both past and future verbs are used, the past ones  
> refer to the past steps and the future
> to the future steps.

Thank you Iver,

I understand and appreciate your position, it is logical and makes  
sense out of the tense-aspect sequence, but for these passages in John  
12 & 13 I cannot agree.

It seems to me that the hH hWRA Jn 12:23 should be understood as a  
unity, not as a sequence of isolated events (Beasly-Murray 1999,  
p246). At the time of speaking  hH hWRA is just beginning, mostly  
future.

  Jn 12:23 hO DE IHSOUS APOKRINETAI AUTOIS LEGWN: ELHLUQEN hH hWRA  
hINA DOXASQHi hO hUIOS TOU ANQRWPOU.

In like manner NUN EDOXASQH JOHN 13:31, not a past event, sepeart and  
distinct from the future DOXASEI, but a single event which is just  
starting and streaching into the future.

> JOHN 13:31 hOTE OUN EXHLQEN, LEGEI IHSOUS: NUN EDOXASQH hO hUIOS TOU
> ANQRWPOU KAI hO QEOS EDOXASQH EN AUTWi:  32 EI hO QEOS EDOXASQH EN
> AUTWi, KAI hO QEOS DOXASEI AUTON EN AUTWi, KAI EUQUS DOXASEI AUTON.

One option, which doesn't get much support in the literature, is to  
read NUN EDOXASQH as a prophetic perfect (Jude 14,  [1]). The  
prophetic perfect together with the future could be understood as a  
sort of aspectual paraphrasis, all in reference to a single unified  
'event' (once again see Beasly-Murray 1999, p246).

Elizabeth Kline

[1] prophetic perfect  Jude 14
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