[B-Greek] On Fluency (Greek NT audio)
Bryant J. Williams III
bjwvmw at com-pair.net
Sat Oct 4 19:06:37 EDT 2008
Dear George,
Should we ask your wife about that? :)))))
En Xristwi,
Rev. Bryant J. Williams III
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From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: "Michael Aubrey" <mga318 at yahoo.com>; <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2008 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] On Fluency (Greek NT audio)
> Determination?
> .
> I will steadfastly maintain to my dying breath that I am not stubborn.
> .
>
> :-)
>
> .george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
> To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 4:34:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] On Fluency (Greek NT audio)
>
> You're right George. It is possible to do learn the language the way you did
(obviously, you are evidence of that), but unfortunately, *most* students don't
have the determination that you have to work on reading the way you have. And
for them, I would hold that modern methods such as "Total Physical Response"
(which, IMHO, is amazing) are the best way for those students without your
determination to gain true comprehension of the language.
>
> Mike
> http://evepheso.wordpress.com
>
> George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ἁ̓πτός [(h)APTOS] is tangible. I assume you meant ἄρτος [ARTOS].
> .
> I agree that most don't learn Greek even remotely adequately. What is needed
is greater concentration on reading rather than translating. When I was
preparing for the GSFLT [Graduate Student Foreign Language Test] in German and
French I didn't study grammar or even try to translate. I got anthologies in the
two languages and simply read them with as little reference to a dictionary as
possible. The emphasis was on speed and being able to feel that I understood the
basics of the text even if I didn't understand absolutely everything. I had done
a similar thing with Dutch in a course I took in that (though that was not
required for Graduate School). It seemed to work. By contrast I simply picked up
Spanish from conversation with little written input or grammar. That also works
quite well. Hebrew and Aramaic followed much the same pattern as Greek (which is
to say the traditional approach) and consequently required much subsequent
reading
> to gain any fluency in its comprehension. I think that reading (as opposed to
immersion and verbalization) can work if enough effort is put into reading a
large quantity of text at a fairly rapid pace.
> .
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
>
>
> - Jan Hus
> _________
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com>
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 4, 2008 2:11:28 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] On Fluency (Greek NT audio)
>
> The vast majority of students in the US who learn Koine in seminaries and
universities don't learn the language. What they learn is a method for
translating in their heads every word and phrase that they see. There is no
internal comprehension of the words. The relationship in students head between
APTOS and the loaf sitting in the kitchen doesn't exist in any student's mind.
There is only a relationship between the lexemes "APTOS" and "Bread." That's not
reading - or if it is, its barely reading. Its more like learning a code than
anything else.
>
> I've done modern language methods for other langauges - and after three
months, my Russian was better than my Greek had been after a year!
>
> Mike
> http://evepheso.wordpress.com
>
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