[B-Greek] Phil 2:6 Concessive or causal participle

Norman Wood nandk.wood at blueyonder.co.uk
Thu Oct 23 11:29:24 EDT 2008


Thank you to all of you for your thoughts I'll mull them over for a while 
and see what I decide. Thanks Elizabeth for the link as well.
Best Wishes
Norman Wood
Scotland
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
To: "Norman Wood" <nandk.wood at blueyonder.co.uk>
Cc: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Phil 2:6 Concessive or causal participle


>
> On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:24 AM, Norman Wood wrote:
>
>> Phil 2:6 has
>> "hOS EN MORFH QEOU hUPARCWN OUC hARPAGMON hHGHSATO TO EINAI ISA QEOU"
>>
>> Wallace describes this occurence of hUPARCWN as concessive p634Greek 
>> Grammar Beyond the Basics.
>> However O'Brien (NIGTC)p 214 argues that this ought not to be  rendered 
>> as concessive, but as causal. Could someone offer  suggestions on how to 
>> approach this problem?
>
> Norman,
>
> A cognitive approach would probably reject both suggestions. Koine  Greek 
> is well supplied with particles, adverbs and prepositions to  explicitly 
> mark causal relations. If Paul intended for us to read this  as causal why 
> didn't he use one of these? Both the causal and  concessive options are 
> inferential extensions of the text. There are  good reasons not to hard 
> wire inferential extensions into a  translation. If you would like to read 
> about this take a look at the  works Ernst-August Gutt [1].
>
> I would agree with Alford and Meyer who reject both options. The 
> concessive reading is the more attractive of the two but it isn't 
> explicit and it isn't necessary. If you hard wire the concessive then  you 
> shut down other inferential options, which are live options and  should 
> not be shut down.
>
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
> [1]Ernst-August Gutt
> http://www.sil.org/SIL/roster/gutt_ernst-august.htm
> 





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