[B-Greek] PNEUMATIKAIS

Carl Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Sat Oct 25 16:33:55 EDT 2008


What follows is a plain-text and protocol-compliant formulation of a  
message sent by Nikolaos Adamou to B-Greek:

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> From: Nikolaos Adamou <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com>
> Date: October 25, 2008 2:16:34 PM EDT
> To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>, +Fr Patrick B O'Grady <fatherpatrick at fastmail.fm 
> >
> Cc: Fridolin Janzen <fjanzen at gmx.net>, B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org 
> >
> Subject: RE: [B-Greek] PNEUMATIKAIS
>
> One reason of the difference we have is due to the fact that we use  
> different Greek text of NT than the one we use.You use the critical  
> text while we use the New Testament, according to Ecumenical  
> Patriarchate official edition available at the sites:
>
> http://www.gospel.gr/poly.php?book=kolossaeis&kef=3&trans=anc
>
> http://www.goarch.org/chapel/biblegreek
>
> In Col 3:16 the twotexts have differences that clarify the question.
>
> If you use the http://biblos.com/colossians/3-16.htm to compare  
> texts, and if you take the complete sentence, in the critical text  
> Col 3 15 & 16 are two complete
> sentences.
>
> The above web site has the Orthodox Church text also in two  
> completed sentences.
>
> But our web sites and printed books have Col 3:15 and 3:16 as one  
> complete sentence with separated after GINESTHE with ἄνω  
> τελεία [ANW TELEIA].  Both are complete sentences with subject  
> verb object and modifiers (προσδιορισμούς  
> [PROSDIORISMOUS).  In 15 the Orthodox text has a different subject  
> ἡ εἰρήνη τοῦ Θεοῦ [hH EIRHNH TOU QEOU] while the  
> critical ἡ εἰρήνη τοῦ Χριστοῦ [hH EIRHNH TOU  
> CRISTOU].
>
> Similarly, the end of 16 is different.  In the orthodox text “ἐν  
> χάριτι ᾄδοντες ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ ὑμῶν  
> τῷ Κυρίῳ. [EN CARITI AiDONTES EN THi KARDIAi hUMWN TWi  
> KURIWi]”
> While the critical “ἐν [τῇ] χάριτι ᾄδοντες  
> ἐν ταῖς καρδίαις ὑμῶν τῷ θεῷ· [EN {THi}  
> CARITI AiDONTES EN TAIS KARDIAIS hUMWN TWi QEWi]”.
>
> The two versions are:
>
> “νουθετοῦντες ἑαυτοὺς ψαλμοῖς καὶ  
> ὕμνοις καὶ ᾠδαῖς πνευματικαῖς,
> [NOUQETOUNTES hEAUTOUS YALMOIS KAI hUMNOIS KAI WiDAIS PNEUMATIKAIS,
> ἐν χάριτι ᾄδοντες ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ  
> ὑμῶν τῷ Κυρίῳ.”
> [EN CARITI AiDONTES EN THi KARDIAi hUMWN TWi KURIWi]
>
> versus
>
> “νουθετοῦντες ἑαυτοὺς ψαλμοῖς  
> ὕμνοις ᾠδαῖς πνευματικαῖς
> [NOUQETOUNTES hEAUTOUS YALMOIS hUMNOIS WiDAIS PNEUMATIKAIS]
> ἐν [τῇ] χάριτι ᾄδοντες ἐν ταῖς  
> καρδίαις ὑμῶν τῷ θεῷ·”
> [EN {THi} CARITI AiDONTES EN TAIS KARDIAIS hUMWN TWi QEWi]
> In the Orthodox text there is a clear cut with the conjunction using  
> καὶ twice  connecting “ψαλμοῖς καὶ ὕμνοις  
> καὶ ᾠδαῖς πνευματικαῖς,” with a comma after  
> πνευματικαῖς.
>
> Therefore, πνευματικαῖς [PNEUMATIKAIS] modifies/ 
> determines (προσδιορίζει [PROSDIORIZEI]) ᾠδαῖς  
> [WiDAIS] because we have ᾠδαῖ [WiDAI] that are non spiritual.   
> Hymns and psalms are spiritual by theirdefinition.  ᾨδαῖ  
> [WiDAI] are not, thus there is a need for specification.  As a  
> result it is required for St. Paul to specify what kind of ᾠδαῖ  
> he writes about.
>
>
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