[B-Greek] hARPAX Mt 7:15

Tom Moore tom at katabiblon.com
Sun Apr 26 23:24:12 EDT 2009


Mark,

Thanks for the additional examples.

re: "If hARPAX were the only adjective that ended in a palatal, what would your point be?"

I simply wasn't expecting that the neuter nom. sg. could be the same as the masculine and feminine nom. sg.; therefore I didn't understand that BDAG, by listing only one form, is indicating that such is the case, and it puzzled me that a true adjective would not have a neuter form. I have since found these referenced in Smyth (312) as "adjectives of one ending."

Regards,
Tom Moore


>  -------Original Message-------
>  From: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
>  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] hARPAX Mt 7:15
>  Sent: Apr 23 '09 02:21
>  
>  Tom,
>  
>  Good question.
>  
>  Just among adjectives that occur more than ten times,
>  Homer has three that end in a palatal: (MWNUX, KALLIQRIX,
>  and hELIX μωνυξ, καλλιθριξ, ἑλιξ)  I would think Greek
>  has
>  many more, although they may be relatively rare simply because
>  nouns that end in a palatal are not all that common.  But I'm
>  curious.  If hARPAX were the only adjective that ended in a
>  palatal, what would your point be?  If one wanted to construe
>  hARPAGES as a noun in apposition to LUKOI, there is
>  no reason not to.
>  
>  On a sort of related note.  Amplified refers to an interesting
>  echoe to Mt. 7:15 in LXX Ez. 22:27: hOI APCONTES AUTHS EN
>  MESWi AUTHS hWS LUKOI hARPAZONTES ARPAGMATA
>  TOU EKXEAI hAIMA οἱ αρχοντες αυτης εν μεσῳ
>  αυτης ὡς λυκοι
>  ἁρπαζοντες αρπαγματα του εκχεαι αἱμα
>  ("like wolves that
>  seize booty.")  This is pretty much what the Hebrew says too.
>  I've notice this many times myself, that in the
>  words of Jesus you are more likely to get a rough paraphrase
>  of the OT, rather than an exact quote.
>  
>  Mark L.
>  
>  
>  --- On WED, 4/22/09, TOM MOORE _<TOM at KATABIBLON.COM>_ wrote:
>  From: Tom Moore <tom at katabiblon.com>
>  Subject: [B-Greek] hARPAX Mt 7:15
>  To: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>  Date: Wednesday, April 22, 2009, 3:30 PM
>  
>  
>  Is ἅρπαξ -αγος (hARPAX -AGOS) a noun or an adjective? BDAG says
>  adjective. LSJ seems to indicate a noun. While there are lots of nouns with
>  stems in -K, -G, -C, none of which are neuter, this is the only adjective I
>  can find with a palatal stem.   If it is an adjective, what would be its
>  neuter? If its a noun, how do we understand Matthew 7:15, where it
>  certainly seems adjectival?  � ροσέχετε ἀπὸ τῶν
>  ψευδοπροφητῶν, οἵτινες ἔρχονται πρὸς
>  ὑμᾶς ἐν ἐνδύμασιν προβάτων, ἔσωθεν
>  δέ εἰσιν λύκοι ἅρπαγες. PROSECETE APO TWN
>  YEUDOPROFHTWN, hOITINES ERCONTAI PROS hUMAS EN ENDUMASIN PROBATWN, ESWQEN
>  DE EISIN LUKOI hARPAGES. [Matthew 7:15]  Thanks, Tom Moore --- B-Greek home
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