[B-Greek] Translating Hebrews 11:11
David McKay
davidmckay52 at gmail.com
Tue Apr 28 23:55:11 EDT 2009
Hi Daniel
What is the CSBM please?
David McKay
2009/4/29 Daniel Buck <bucksburg at yahoo.com>
>
> Thanks for the links, Tom. I'm still a bit confused, so please bear with me
> on some questions.
>
> On B-Greek Tom wrote:
>
> <<I don't think there are any substantive differences in the variants
> listed.>>
>
> Are all of the variants I listed okay with Abraham as the subject of ELABEN
> and Sarah stuck in a parenthetical clause? Certainly that's how it comes out
> in the various translations, all done by competent translators of apparently
> varying skill; just about all the recent versions list an alternate
> translation in the footnotes, but can't seem to agree whether Abraham or
> Sarah goes in the text--even in revisions by the same team of translators.
>
> <<Based on this, I would translate the verse as: By faith—and Sarah herself
> (being) barren—(he) received the ability to impregnate, and (she being) past
> the time of her prime, since (he) deemed him faithful who had promised.>>
>
> Why italicize? The various versions insert all kinds of helping words
> (notably 'the'), and what about all the texts with H and OUSA? And isn't
> 'her' prime implied at best?
>
> <<(A problem with the CSBm translation is that hHLIKIAS is fem., so it must
> be Sarah that is past her prime.)>>
>
> In what way? The word's gender would always be feminine, wouldn't it--even
> when in a prepositional phrase modifying a verb of which the subject is a
> male?
>
> Daniel Buck
>
> > -------Original Message-------
> > From: Daniel Buck <bucksburg at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [B-Greek] Translating Hebrews 11:11<http://bible.logos.com/passage/NIV/Hebrews%2011.11>
> > Sent: Apr 28 '09 20:08
> >
> >
> > The translator of Hebrews 11:11<http://bible.logos.com/passage/NIV/Hebrews%2011.11>is faced with a few textual problems, but primarily with the choice between
> Abraham and Sarah as the subject. My question is, which, if any, of the
> textual variants in the Greek text settle the question?
> >
> > The main variant is the presence or absence of words modifying SARRA:
> > καὶ αὐτὴ Σάρρα στεῖρα kai auth sarra steira] p46 D* Ψ
> > καὶ αὐτὴ Σάρρα ἡ στεῖρα ka auth sarra h steira] D1 6 81 88 424c 1241
> 1739 1881 1962
> > Σάρρα ἡ στεῖρα καὶ αὐτὴ sarra h steira kai auth] 0150
> > καὶ αὐτὴ Σάρρα στεῖρα οὖσα kai auth sarra steira ousa] P 075 104 256
> 263 365 436 459 1319 1573 1912 1984 2127 (2495 Σάρα sara) l596
> > καὶ αὐτὴ Σάρρα kai auth sarra] p13vid א A D2 K L 33 181 326 330
> 424* 451 614 629 630 1175 1852 1877 2200 2492 Byz Lect
> >
> > There's another variant which I can't locate in a ms but is given as a
> marginal reading in WH, which is to change the accents put αὐτὴ Σάρρα auth
> sarra in the dative case.
> >
> > ἡλικίας ἔτεκεν hlikias eteken] א2 D2 Byz I won't get into this variant
> because the NLT translates 'have a child' even without it.
> >
> > So, which of the above readings would render which of these
> translations impossible?
> >
> > By faith Sarah herself received power to conceive, even when she was
> past the
> > age, since she considered him faithful who had promised. ESV
> >
> > By faith Abraham, even though he was past age--and Sarah herself was
> > barren--received the ability to procreate since he considered that the
> One who
> > had promised was faithful. CSBm
>
>
>
>
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