[B-Greek] Dr. Wallace on Acts 13.48
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Sun Aug 2 01:46:19 EDT 2009
Richard, what makes you think it's middle
and not passive?
Mark L
FWSFOROS MARKOS
--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Richard Ghilardi <qodeshlayhvh at juno.com> wrote:
From: Richard Ghilardi <qodeshlayhvh at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Dr. Wallace on Acts 13.48
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 10:18 PM
Hello Folks,
This verse simply means,
"All who were ready for eternal life believed."
This meaning accords best with:
A) the middle voice
B) the context
C) good English usage
Yours in His grace,
Richard Ghilardi - qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
West Haven, Connecticut USA
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Mark Lightman
<lightmanmark at yahoo.com> writes:
> Mitch egrapsed:
>
> <Dr. Wallace, no doubt a very good grammarian, neglects
> to see all the options here, and I am wondering if this has
> to do again with his Calvinistic lens through which he sees a
> text.
>
> What other observations can be made of KAI EPISTEUSAN
> hOSOI HSAN TETAGMENOI and how else could it this
> clause be translated?>
>
> Tip toe through the T.U.L.I.P. with Dr. Wallace, through the
> tulips...
>
> Hi Mitch,
>
> L.S.J. says "Thucydides uses the Med., 'to fall in, to form in order
> of
> battle...'ES MACHN, 2:20..." "As many as fell in line for eternal
> life."
> TASSW does not have to mean "appoint" and then the middle is not
> exactly
> "nonsense." "As many as set themselves in position for eternal
> life. As many as got drawn up, as many as were fixed for eternal
> life, as many as took up their post at eternal life" But I think
> this is clearly a divine
> passive. Because UPO THEOU is obviously implied but in fact
> omitted, you CAN (just barely) take it as some sort of middle,
> but you sure don't have to be a Calvinist to see this as a
> "vanilla passive," to quote one of my favorite grammarians.
>
>
>
>
> Mark L
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On Sat, 8/1/09, Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Dr. Wallace on Acts 13.48
> To: "B- Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 7:56 PM
>
>
> AKOUONTA DE TA EQNH ECAIRON KAI EDOXOZON TON LOGON TOU KURIOU, KAI
> EPISTEUSAN hOSOI HSAN TETAGMENOI EIS ZWHN AIWNION
>
> I think Dr. Daniel Wallace, at least to me, may be the first
> grammarian to produce a grammar book from a distinctly theological
> viewpoint, namely, Calvinism. Even though Dr. Wallace is not known
> as a Theological scholar, he does indirectly speak to these issues
> through his grammar works. Here are some of his comments on Acts
> 13.48 taken from bible.org (which are pretty close to his treatment
> of this passage in GGBB):
>
> --------
> Acts 13:48 is indeed a strong verse on God's sovereign choice of
> those who would be saved. The verb TETAGMENOI does not occur in Acts
> 20:13, but the aorist form of it does occur in Acts 29:23. There,
> the middle voice is indeed used and is translated like an active
> verb. However, the aorist has a distinct middle form that is
> different from the passive form. The perfect tense, found in Acts
> 13:48, does not. Context, lexeme, and usage are key. In 1 Cor 16:15,
> an active voice verb is used. So, neither of these texts offers a
> real parallel to Acts 13:48. The problem with taking the verb in
> Acts 13:48 as a middle is that it would have to be a direct middle
> (the idea would be 'they appointed themselves'), which is nonsense
> in this context and is extremely rare of a usage overall. I know of
> no linguistic ground for overturning the traditional translation
> here.
> --------
>
> Dr. Wallace, no doubt a very good grammarian, neglects to see all
> the options here, and I am wondering if this has to do again with
> his Calvinistic lens through which he sees a text.
>
> What other observations can be made of KAI EPISTEUSAN hOSOI HSAN
> TETAGMENOI and how else could it this clause be translated?
>
> Mitch Larramore
> Augusta, GA
>
>
>
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