[B-Greek] grammar-translation
Martin F. Daly
pastor at ruggleschurch.worthyofpraise.org
Tue Aug 4 14:25:48 EDT 2009
I find myself sadly discouraged and must make definite effort to press
on with my desire to be able to read my Greek New Testament.
I set that as a 10 year goal for myself 6 years ago and realize that I
gave myself too much credit. I am miserably plodding along, yet am not
wanting to give up.
I have no grand illusions that I will ever achieve the level of some on
this list, but am committed to a life of continued meditation in the
text, relishing in the joy of
discovery as new understanding dawns.
EN CHARIS,
--- marty ---
Elizabeth Kline wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Carl Conrad wrote:
>
>
>> It is ,alas -- my reaction, shared, I suspect by very few --, the
>> wave of the future in Biblical Greek pedagogy -- less so in
>> Classical Greek pedagogy. There is no pretense of such fool notions
>> as "thinking in Greek." Rather, it is: Parse, decode, and use the
>> glosses to convert to woodenly-literal English, somewhat like an
>> attempt to describe the taste of a cucumber or broccoli that one has
>> only sniffed. Granted, this is a gross exaggeration, but there is, I
>> think, more than a little truth in it.
>>
>
>
> Carl,
>
> I agree, it is "the wave of the future in Biblical Greek pedagogy"
>
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Will Dilbeck wrote:
>
>
>> "Pragmatically, how can I go from translation to reading/thinking
>> in Greek?"
>>
>
> Will,
>
> The only evidence I can see that I have "internalized" greek is errors
> in my english syntax. I tend to drop the verb "to be" and my use of
> the articles has suffered. I also use some really strange word order
> and drop out constituents which are not "optional" in english. But I
> make lots of other errors which don't lend themselves to this
> explanation. I don't even dream of thinking in Greek, it isn't going
> to happen. My aptitude for SLA is marginal to poor. I didn't do well
> in modern languages when i was in school.
>
> Aptitude is one issue that Buth seems to have completely ignored. This
> is a common fault found in "gifted people". They just cannot
> understand what the majority of the populace is up against. Must of us
> are not gifted people and learning Greek, Latin or Hebrew requires a
> ridiculous level of time investment. Those who choose to avoid the
> whole problelm and just use english tools for exegesis have a strong
> pragmatic argument in thier favor. Why bother investing thousands of
> hours to become a mediocre reader of Koine?
>
> .
>
> Here is a text David Black uses to illustrate the imperative
> .
> John 14:1 Μὴ ταρασσέσθω ὑμῶν ἡ καρδία·
> πιστεύετε εἰς τὸν θεὸν καὶ εἰς ἐμὲ
> πιστεύετε.
> .
> JOHN 14:1 MH TARASSESQW hUMWN hH KARDIA· PISTEUETE EIS TON QEON KAI
> EIS EME PISTEUETE.
> .
>
> Black used intonation and/or paraphrase in english to illustrate how
> an exegetical decision about the ambiguous form PISTEUETE would play
> out in four possible combinations of indicative vs. imperative
> readings of PISTEUETE. It would be an interesting exercise to come up
> with an alternative teaching method that could illustrate this point
> without using translation alternatives.
> .
>
>
> Elizabeth Kline
>
>
>
>
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