[B-Greek] Help with Ionic Greek

John Sanders john.franklin.sanders at gmail.com
Fri Aug 7 01:22:02 EDT 2009


If you need help on specific words, the Perseus site on the internet will
help you.  It will give suggestions as to the grammatical code for that form
and lead you to a dictionary for a gloss or definition.  Of course, I will
put in the usual warning, you will want to get rid of your crutch and walk
on your own as soon as possible, but it can help you reach that goal if not
abused.

I enjoy Mark's comments, they are quite often funny and entertaining. I
once was in an engineering class where the instructor was unbelievably
boring.  I found myself lifting my head from the table after he spoke his
third word.  I was afraid I was going to get a brain concussion.  But I also
had friends who were not dynamic speakers and I would listen to them with
respect and with eagerness because we were talking about a subject that we
all enjoyed. So I then went to class and imagined myself in that
instructor's parlour listening to a conversation from him to me.  I became
interested and waited with eagerness his next sentence, commenting when
occasion permitted.  We became friends.

There are books I hope will intertain me and if they do not I put them
aside, even if others are intertained.  I do not read Steven King, for
instance.  Just not my type of intertainment.  But others I consider to be
friends, sitting in my parlour have a pleasant conversation.  Xenophon is
one those friends, Herodotus is another.  I once was in the military, in
combat, although not in the Middle East. I spent part of my youth on a
cattle ranch in Nevada.  Xenophon writes about a tale of war and its
aftermath, and of horses, and of managing the farmstead, etc.  These are
things that I enjoy hearing from my old friend.  Likewise Herodotus and I
share a common joy in history and in ethnology and old tales.  The Gospels
are fast moving and intertaining, but with a powerful message.  But I still
find time for these old friends of mine.  Although I haven't invited
Thucydides in yet (I am not as brave as Elizabeth), I plan to.    I was
going to bar the door to Plato, but after reading Bernard Suzanne I will
invite him also (not that Bernard's theory is necessary accurate, but it
presents Plato in a light that is much more to my liking).

There are a lot of good friends out there.  Mark enjoys Homer, especially as
he retells the Illiad.  I also think Homer is a wonderful friend, but alas I
have only gone through parts of book one.  The greed of work and the needs
of life and the paucity of time, a terrible combination.  I will read the
psalms, but just haven't found the time to send them to Louis.  Well, Louis,
thank you for your efforts-I am part way there.

John Sanders
Suzhou, China
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Michael Aubrey <mga318 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> the majority of recent monographs on Greek word order have all been focused
> on Herodotus. And it's really not that bad.
>
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> ________________________________
> From: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
> To: B Greek <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>; James Bowick <james at bowick.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2009 8:54:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Help with Ionic Greek
>
> Hi James:
>
> There are tons of good resources that will familiarize you with Homeric
> Greek, which is pretty close to Herodotus.  You can find many old
> school editions of the Epics free on Google Books.  These usually include
> short grammars with particular attention devoted to how the Homeric
> forms differ from Attic/Koine.  Pharr, Benner, Sterrett are all great,
> Draper and Beetham more recently.
>
> Once you can read Homer you can read Herodotus, though
> you won't want to.   I've never seen a grammar devoted only
> to Herodotus, though I'm sure there is one.
>
> I'm curious what made you want to go from the Greek NT to Herodotus.
> If you want tedious history and uninspired Greek,
> why not stick to Xenophon, where you can at least be
> bored in Attic?  If you DO take the trouble to learn Ionic,
> why not read Homer?
>
> Mark L
>
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On Thu, 8/6/09, James Bowick <james at bowick.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: James Bowick <james at bowick.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Help with Ionic Greek
> To: "B Greek" <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 9:07 PM
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> My background in New Testament Greek is not giving me the information I
> need
> as I try to venture into the Greek of Herodotus.  I am hitting forms that
> are not familiar from Koine and are also not in the Attic grammar I found
> in
> our library  (the closest I could find).  Any suggestions on how to deal
> with this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> James Bowick
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