[B-Greek] Syntax of Col 1:22

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Aug 18 13:02:40 EDT 2009


This is turning somewhat into a TC question which is not really suitable here so I will simply note that P46 is a good witness for the aor 2nd pl passive being mid 2nd c.  No early Father seems to quote the passage until the time of Tertullian whose language was Latin.  I don't happen to have the Latin of the text in which he references this (Against Marcion v.19), and I can't discern from the English translation what might lie behind it.  Jerome translates it as "reconciliavit" which is a 3 sg perf act.  THEREFORE, on my own theological grounds, I choose the aor act reading with the majority of mss. 
 george
gfsomsel 


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From: Mike Holmes <holmic at bethel.edu>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>; Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>; Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
Cc: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 8:59:07 AM
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Syntax of Col 1:22

But in v. 19, while hOTI EN AUTWi does, as GS points out, continue the reference to the son, the subject of the primary verb, EUDOKHSEN is PAN TO PLHRWMA--which is also the subject, then, of the infinitive in v. 19, the infinitive in v. 20, the participle in v. 20, and, presumably, of APOKATHLLACEN in v. 22. On this reading, the first AUTOU in v. 22 will refer to Christ, while the second AUTOU (after KATENWPION) will refer to God (personal pronoun w/a reflexive sense)--just as in v. 20, the phrase DI AUTOU refers to Christ, while the phrase EIS AUTON refers to PAN TO PLHRWMA.

[This applies if one reads APOKATHLLACEN in v. 22; I would argue, however, that the aor. pass APOKATHLLAGHTE is the preferable reading].

my two cents' worth,
Mike Holmes

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Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:01 PM
To: Oun Kwon; Elizabeth Kline
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Syntax of Col 1:22

Note the sequence beginning with v. 12 where it speaks of εὐχαριστοῦντες τῷ πατρὶ [EUXARISTOUNTES TWi PATRI] then referencing him in v. 13 by ὃς ἐρρύσατο [hOS ERRUSATO].  It then says μετέστησεν εἰς τὴν βασιλείαν τοῦ υἱοῦ [METESTHSEN EIS THN BASILEIAN TOU hUIOU].  From there beginning with v. 14 we have further references through relative pronouns ἐν ᾧ [EN hWi].  Whom does this reference?  Τοῦ υἱοῦ in the immediately preceding.  It continues with the relative in v. 15 ὅς ἐστιν εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ [hOS ESTIN EIKWN TOU QEOU] which most definitely reference the son.  It keeps going in v. 16 ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ [hOTI EN AUTWi] and keeps going like the Energizer Bunny in v. 17 καὶ αὐτός ἐστιν [KAI AUTOS ESTIN] and in v. 18 καὶ αὐτός ἐστιν ἡ κεφαλὴ [KAI AUTOS ESTIN hH KEFALH].  Then in v. 19
ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ [hOTI EN AUTWi] still continuing the reference to the son.  Καὶ διʼ αὐτοῦ [KAI DI' AUTOU] in v. 20 carries it forward.  V. 21 continues v. 20 without further reference.  In v. 22 it then has a 3 s. verb ἀποκατήλλαξεν [APOKATALACEN] and ἐν τῷ σώματι τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ [EN TWi SWMATI THS SARKOS AUTOU] which continues to reference the son.


george
gfsomsel


… search for truth, hear truth,
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
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From: Oun Kwon <kwonbbl at gmail.com>
To: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
Cc: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:12:35 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Syntax of Col 1:22

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Elizabeth
Kline<kline_dekooning at earthlink.net> wrote:
> A "sentence" in Paul is probably the minimal meaningful context.
>
> Col 1:21-23
> 21 Καὶ ὑμᾶς ποτε ὄντας
> ἀπηλλοτριωμένους καὶ ἐχθροὺς τῇ
> διανοίᾳ ἐν τοῖς ἔργοις τοῖς
> πονηροῖς,  22 νυνὶ δὲ ἀποκατήλλαξεν
> ἐν τῷ σώματι τῆς σαρκὸς αὐτοῦ διὰ
> τοῦ θανάτου παραστῆσαι ὑμᾶς ἁγίους
> καὶ ἀμώμους καὶ ἀνεγκλήτους
> κατενώπιον αὐτοῦ,  23 εἴ γε ἐπιμένετε
> τῇ πίστει τεθεμελιωμένοι καὶ
> ἑδραῖοι καὶ μὴ μετακινούμενοι ἀπὸ
> τῆς ἐλπίδος τοῦ εὐαγγελίου οὗ
> ἠκούσατε, τοῦ κηρυχθέντος ἐν πάσῃ
> κτίσει τῇ ὑπὸ τὸν οὐρανόν, οὗ
> ἐγενόμην ἐγὼ Παῦλος διάκονος.
>
> 21 KAI hUMAS POTE ONTAS APHLLOTRIWMENOUS KAI ECQROUS THi DIANOIAi EN
> TOIS ERGOIS TOIS PONHROIS, 22 NUNI DE APOKATHLLAXEN EN TWi SWMATI THS
> SARKOS AUTOU DIA TOU QANATOU PARASTHSAI hUMAS hAGIOUS KAI AMWMOUS KAI
> ANEGKLHTOUS KATENWPION AUTOU, 23 EI GE EPIMENETE THi PISTEI
> TEQEMELIWMENOI KAI hEDRAIOI KAI MH METAKINOUMENOI APO THS ELPIDOS TOU
> EUAGGELIOU hOU HKOUSATE, TOU KHRUCQENTOS EN PASHi KTISEI THi hUPO TON
> OURANON, hOU EGENOMHN EGW PAULOS DIAKONOS.
>
>
>
>

Certainly, the natural word order seems natural. One remaining
question in this text is:

how do I decide who is the implicit subject of the verb APOKATHLLAXEN
in v. 22? God or His Son?

Thank you all.

Oun Kwon.
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