[B-Greek] Philippians 1:3-4 - MNEIA - DEHSIS
Bryan Cox
bccox99 at tx.rr.com
Wed Aug 19 22:23:05 EDT 2009
I've been going through Philippians as well and had difficulties with the verse in question. I thought it might be
instructive to put together parallel passages. The results are very interesting to me, perhaps they will be to
others. Strangely, when this verse in Philippians is compared with parallels (Did I find them all?) the word
selection is slightly different and the word order appears slightly different. Note particularly the items between
asterisks. It seems they are slightly "out of order".
1 Th 1:2 - EUXARISTOUMEN TW QEW
Phm 1:4 - EUXARISTW TW QEW MOU
Eph 1:16 - OU PAUOMAI EUXARISTWN
Phi 1:3 - EUXARISTW TW QEW MOU
Col 1:3 - EUXARISTOUMEN TW QEW
1 Co 1:4 - EUXARISTW TW QEW MOU
Rom 1:8 - PRWTON MEN EUXARISTW TW QEW MOU
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1 Th 1:2 -
Phm 1:4 -
Eph 1:16 -
Phi 1:3 - *EPI PASH TH MNEIA hUMWN*
Col 1:3 - PATRI TOU KURIOU hHMWN IHSOU XRISTOU
1 Co 1:4 -
Rom 1:8 - DIA IHSOU XRISTOU
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1 Th 1:2 - PANTWTE PERI PANTWN hUMWN MNEIAN POIOUMENOI
Phm 1:4 - PANTOTE MNEIAN SOU POIOUMENOS
Eph 1:16 - hUPER hUMWN MNEIAN POIOUMENOS
Phi 1:3 - PANTOTE
Col 1:3 - PANTOTE PERI hUMWN
1 Co 1:4 - PANTOTE PERI hUMWN
Rom 1:8 - PERI PANTWN hUMWN
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1 Th 1:2 - EPI TWN PROSEUXWN hHMWN ADIALEIPTWS MNEMONEUONTES hUMWN TOU ERGOU
Phm 1:4 - EPI TWN PROSEUXWN MOU
Eph 1:16 - EPI TWN PROSEUXWN MOU
Phi 1:3 - EN PASH DEHSEI MOU *hUPER PANTWN hUMWN* META XARAS THN *DEHSIN POIOUMENOS*
Col 1:3 - PROSEUXOMENOI
1 Co 1:4 -
Rom 1:8 -
1 Thessalonians is widely considered the first book of the New Testament to have been written, so perhaps
the best clue to translating the verse in Philippians comes from it.
Other interesting things to note are that it appears hUPER and PERI are interchanged but seem to mean
approximately the same thing. Philemon is slightly different from others with MNEIAN SOU (compare
the TH MNEAI hUMWN of Phiilippians). And it is probably just coincidence, but the use of OU PAUOMAI
in Ephesians and ADIALEIPTWS in 1 Thessalonians is worth noting.
I guess I'll wrap up my rambling with a grammar question of my own. POIOUMENOI is in the middle voice,
which is reflexive, correct? But it doesn't seem to get translated that way in most translations. Is it because
MNEIAN POIOUMENOI "remembrance making, ourselves" just isn't good English? This seems, from my
admittedly limited experience, to be the case with a lot of verbs in middle voice.
Thanks,
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Beata Urbanek" <beata.urbanek at op.pl>
To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:44 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Philippians 1:3-4 - MNEIA - DEHSIS
> Dear List,
>
> I've got another question concerning the passage which has been talked about
> recently.
> What is the relation between EPI PASHi THi MNEIAi and EN PASHi DEHSEI at the
> beggining of the passage? Are they parallel? Is Paul's prayer for
> Phillipians identified with rememberance of them or they are two separate
> acts? In other words, does Paul thank God every time he remembers about
> Phillipians or he thanks for them at his prayer times?
>
> Phil. 1:3 Εὐχαριστῶ τῷ θεῷ μου ἐπὶ πάσῃ
> τῇ μνείᾳ ὑμῶν 4 πάντοτε ἐν πάσῃ
> δεήσει μου ὑπὲρ πάντων ὑμῶν, μετὰ
> χαρᾶς τὴν δέησιν ποιούμενος, 5 ἐπὶ
> τῇ κοινωνίᾳ ὑμῶν εἰς τὸ
> εὐαγγέλιον ἀπὸ τῆς πρώτης ἡμέρας
> ἄχρι τοῦ νῦν,
> .
> PHIL. 1:3 EUCARISTW TWi QEWi MOU EPI PASHi THi MNEIAi hUMWN 4 PANTOTE
> EN PASHi DEHSEI MOU hUPER PANTWN hUMWN, META CARAS THN DEHSIN
> POIOUMENOS, 5 EPI THi KOINWNIAi hUMWN EIS TO EUAGGELION APO THS PRWTHS
> hHMERAS ACRI TOU NUN.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Beata Urbanek
>
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