[B-Greek] Novice question on Mark 9:29 - What "kind" comes outbyprayer - unbelief or a demon

Donald COBB docobb at orange.fr
Thu Aug 20 01:08:32 EDT 2009


There is a *slight* problem, though. TO GENOS is a neuter noun, so a 
pronoun connected to it will always agree with it in gender, no matter 
what GENOS itself refers to. "This sort of..." could refer to a 
masculine, feminine or neutral object, but it will always remain neuter. 
In other words, the TOUTO does not refer to PNEUMA but to GENOS.

A literal translation of the passage would be: "This sort can go out (= 
be cast out) by nothing, except with prayer". This sort of what? It's 
the context that shows us that an "impure spirit" is being referred to 
(v. 25).

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence, France

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EXACTLY what I was looking for - the word definitions helped, but a 
grammatical explanation (if there was one in this case) was what I hunting.

Thanks so much - I remember now that I have read that the pronoun agrees 
with the antecedent, but lately I think I've read so much, I've 
forgotten what I read!

Ken B.

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outbyprayer - unbelief or a demon


I didn't see where anyone actually answered
Kenneth's question on Mark 9:29, "What "kind"
comes out by prayer - unbelief or a demon?"
Harold was right in that the demon is what is
the antecedent but Kenneth said up front that
this is a novice question, so I think we need
to tell "him" (Kenneth, the antecedent of the
pronoun "him") why the demon is being
referred to.

Kenneth, a pronoun agrees with its antecedent
in gender and number. That is why TOUTO TO
GENOS (Neuter) refers back to PNEUMA (Neuter)
and not unbelief APISTIA (Feminine).

rod rogers
bargersville, in




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----- Original Message -----
From: K Bent
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:16 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] Novice question on Mark
9:29 - What "kind" comes out byprayer -
unbelief or a demon


Mark 9:29 -

29 καὶ εἶπεν αὐτοῖς· τοῦτο τὸ γένος ἐν οὐδενὶ
δύναται ἐξελθεῖν εἰ μὴ ἐν προσευχῇ.

29 KAI EIPEN AUTOIS TOUTO TO GENOS EN OUDENI
DUNATAI EXELTHEIN EI ME EN PROSEUCHE

I am hoping that someone might give me some
guidance as to the use of γένος (genos) in
this passage. Is there any way of knowing
grammatically whether or not it is referring
to unbelief or to a demon, or is it ambiguous
grammatically and thus a matter of
interpretation?

Thanks for any and all help!

Kenneth Bent
ken at cotr.com


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