[B-Greek] on missing verb in I John 1:3
Sarah Madden
sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
Mon Dec 7 14:51:35 EST 2009
Mark --
What are the other 9 (in your opinion)? :-)
Sarah ><>
Maryland USA
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Welcome aboard, Raymond,
>
> The fact that EIMI and other verbs are often missing
> (from the perspective of English)
> in Greek sentences is one of the top ten things that makes
> ancient Greek difficult.
>
> Mark L
> Φωσφορος
>
> FWSFOROS MARKOS
>
> --- On Mon, 12/7/09, George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] on missing verb in I John 1:3
> To: "Raymond Olson" <rcolson at telusplanet.net>, b-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 10:55 AM
>
>
> Welcome to the list. First, it is customary (and virtually required) that
> you include the text.
>
> ὃ ἑωράκαμεν καὶ ἀκηκόαμεν, ἀπαγγέλλομεν καὶ ὑμῖν, ἵνα καὶ ὑμεῖς κοινωνίαν
> ἔχητε μεθʼ ἡμῶν.καὶ ἡ κοινωνία δὲ ἡ ἡμετέρα μετὰ τοῦ πατρὸς καὶ μετὰ τοῦ
> υἱοῦ αὐτοῦ Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ.
> hO hEWRAKAMEN KAI AKHKOAMEN, APAGGELLOMEN KAI hUMIN, hINA KAI hUMEIS
> KOINWNIAN EXHTE MEQ' hHMWN. KAI hH KOINWNIA DE hH hHMETERA META TOU PATROS
> KAI META TOU hUIOU AUTOU IHSOU XRISTOU.
>
> The verb is not missing here -- it simply isn't present :-)
>
> This is what is known as a "verbless clause." There are times when other
> verbs are understood, but generally it is the copulative verb εἰμί.
> george
> gfsomsel
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Raymond Olson <rcolson at telusplanet.net>
> To: b-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:24:02 AM
> Subject: [B-Greek] on missing verb in I John 1:3
>
> I am new to the list and am enjoying the interactions, information, good
> advice and comraderie. Thank you to all of you for your queries, answers
> and comments. I am venturing out with a question.
> I am working my way through I John. The last phrase of I John 1:3 has no
> verb: KAI hH KOINONIA DE hH hHMETERA META TOU PATROS KAI META TOU hUIOU
> AUTOU IHSOU CRISTOU.
>
> I'm looking for some treatment on the subject of the missing verb,
> specifically the "be" verb.
> Thanks much,
> Ray Olson
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