[B-Greek] kataluma

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 29 22:27:49 EST 2009


I think we can reach a somewhat better understanding than that.  If you will note, BDAG has

  
κατάλυμα, ατος, τόKATALUMA, ATOS, TO (Polyb. 2, 36, 1; 32, 19, 2; Diod S14, 93, 5; IGV/1, 869; SIG609, 1; UPZ120, 5 [II b.c.] al.in pap; LXX; TestLevi3:4v.l.; s. B-D-F§109, 2; Rob.151) lodging place.The sense innis possible in Lk 2:7,but in 10:34Lk uses πανδοχεῖον PANDOXEION, the more specific term for inn.κ. is therefore best understood here as lodging(PSI341, 8 [256 b.c.]; EpArist181) or guest-room,as in 22:11; Mk 14:14,where the contexts also permit the sense dining-room(cp.1 Km 1:18; 9:22; Sir 14:25). In further favor of this rendering is the contrast between two quarters: a φάτνηFATNH and a κατάλυμα KATALUMA. The latter could be a space in various types of structures. Cp. also the use of the cognate καταλύωKATALUW (s. κ.4) Lk 19:7in ref.to hospitality.—PBenoit, BRigaux Festschr., ’70, 173–86 (Lk 2:7); EPax, Bibel und Leben 6, ’65, 285–98. DELGs.v.λύω LUW. M-M. TW.
 
Arndt, W., Danker, F. W., & Bauer, W. (2000). A Greek-English lexicon of the New Testament and other early Christian literature. (3rd ed.) (521). Chicago: University of Chicago Press.
 
I think we can be a bit more general than this.  It is a public room whatever use may be made of it.  Perhaps one might even call it an "Assembly Room."  Yes, I am aware that LSJ has "billet for soldiers."
 george
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From: Mark Lightman <lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org; Bill Yates <bill.yates4 at btinternet.com>
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Bill asked:
 
<Why are 2:7 and 10:34 translated as inn from different
Greek words but 2:7 and 22:11 translated differently
from the same Greek words?>
 
Hi, Bill,
 
Because this is the way translation works.  You can
nurse a baby and you can nurse a drink.  I would think
QHLAZW would work for one but not the other. 


Mark L
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FWSFOROS MARKOS

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From: Bill Yates <bill.yates4 at btinternet.com>
Subject: [B-Greek] kataluma
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:36 PM


    In Luke 2:7 we have kataluma translated as 'inn.  In 22:11 it is translated as 'upper room'.    

Can anyone suggest why this word would be translated in such different ways?   In 10:34 he uses PANDOXEION which is translated as 'inn'.   

Surely, the original author would not have intended this difference  in meaning in his original text.    

Did this discrepancy arise from St Jerome's Latin translation or is some other explanation more plausible.   

Why are 2:7 and 10:34 translated as inn from different Greek words but 2:7 and 22:11 translated differently from the same Greek words?
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