[B-Greek] Mark 12:38-40

Carl W. Conrad cwconrad2 at mac.com
Thu Jan 1 11:35:39 EST 2009


Notwithstanding Nick's claim, I continue to believe that the Jesus statement of Mark 12:38-40 is a rhetorical generalization rather than an absolute denunciation of all scribes.

Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
 
On Wednesday, December 31, 2008, at 11:43PM, "Nikolaos Adamou" <nikolaos.adamou at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>I provide the text as
>Robinson & Pierpont give it with an amendment of Antoniadis’ 1904 text with
>respect to punctuation.  It shows that Carl
>is correct.  But I would say, that rather
>a generalizing rhetorical generalization it is a specification in absolute agreement
>of Carl’s point with respect to Mk 12:28-34.
>
> 
>
>Although Greek did not
>have punctuation, punctuation is important in two aspects.
>
>First determines the
>syntactical structure, and then allows the appropriate acoustical / musical reproduction
>of the text.
>
> 
>
>Even now, that in Greek
>we use punctuation, when we write Greek in one line and musical byzantine
>notation on the line above it, the Greek text is plain, without accents and
>punctuation, all these are given in the musical notation.  This byzantine notation provides qualitative
>characteristics of the voice, besides the quantitative about the musical notes.
>
> 
>
>Alypios, in his Introduction
>to Music, ΕΙΣΑΓΩΓΗ ΜΟΥΣΙΚΗ –EISAGOGI MOYSIKI – provides such
>explanation for the Greek music.  In his
>work, Athanasios Siamakis – Alypiou Eisagogi Mousiki, text, translation into
>modern Greek, introduction, notes and tables, 2nd ed. Prespes, 2003 (in Greek),
>provided the equivalences between classical Greek and Byzantine music.
>
> 
>
>The sound is important,
>and it is based on the syntactical form of the sentence.
>
>Commas and exclamation
>marks, semicolons and periods are important tools that allow one to understand and
>thus translate a text.
>
>So this is the case
>here.  Punctuation is not only important
>in English but in Greek too! 
>
> 
>
>“I
>think rather it's "Beware of the scribes, who ... " I think it's a
>rhetorically generalizing characterization of scribes, not a denunciation of
>one and all. There may be exceptions to a generalizing characterization, and I
>think that Mk 12:28-34 shows that there is at least one such exception. But I
>would not fault the translations in this instance as miscasting what the Greek
>text actually indicates.”
>
> 
>
>Carl W. Conrad
>
>Department of Classics, Washington University (ret)
>
>
>
>
>
>Καὶ
>ἔλεγεν
>αὐτοῖς
>ἐν
>τῇ
>διδαχῇ
>αὐτοῦ·
>
>
>Βλέπετε ἀπὸ
>τῶν
>γραμματέων, 
>
>τῶν
>θελόντων ἐν στολαῖς
>περιπατεῖν, 
>
>καὶ
>ἀσπασμοὺς
>ἐν
>ταῖς
>ἀγοραῖς, 
>
>39 καὶ
>πρωτοκαθεδρίας ἐν ταῖς
>συναγωγαῖς, 
>
>καὶ
>πρωτοκλισίας ἐν τοῖς
>δείπνοις. 
>
>40 οἱ
>κατεσθίοντες τὰς οἰκίας
>τῶν
>χηρῶν,
>
>
>καὶ
>προφάσει μακρὰ προσευχόμενοι!   (R&P have a semicolon)
>
>οὗτοι
>λήψονται περισσότερον κρῖμα.
>
>38 KAI ELEGEN AYTOIS EN TH DIDACH AUTOU, 
>BLEPETE APO TWN GRAMMATEWN, 
>TWN QELONTWN EN STOLAIS PERIPATEIN, 
>KAI ASPASMOUS EN TAIS AGORAIS, 
>39 KAI PRWTOKAQEDRIAS EN TAIS SUNAGWGAIS, 
>KAI PRWTOKLISIAS EN TOIS DEIPNOIS;
>40 hOI KATESQIONTES TAS OIKIAS TWN CHRWN, 
>KAI PROFASEI MAKRA PROSEUCOMENOI! 
>hOUTOI LHMYONTAI PERISSOTERON KRIMA.
>
>
>The New
>Testament in the Original Greek
>
>Byzantine Textform 2005
>
>Compiled and Arranged by
>
>Maurice A. Robinson and William G. Pierpont
>
>http://koti.24.fi/jusalak/GreekNT/RP2005.htm
>
>
>
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