[B-Greek] 2 Peter 1:20-21 and word order of
Steve Runge
srunge at logos.com
Tue Jan 13 09:47:26 EST 2009
Jim,
Helma Dik is a classics professor at University of Chicago that has
written a description of "information structure" in Greek, analyzing the
meaning associated with the ordering of the clause components:
(http://humanities.uchicago.edu/depts/classics/People/Faculty/dikcv.html
)
However, information structure is not a topic one picks up to learn over
the weekend. There are about six different elements that must be taken
into account before a proper analysis can consistently be reached. Dik
is missing at least one of those, in my opinion.
If you would like a basic overview, I did a post at my blog that
introduces the principles and some of the problems:
http://www.ntdiscourse.org/2008/11/structuring-information/
If you want to read more into the area, contact me off list and I can
supply a suggested reading. Five chapters are devoted to the topic in a
forthcoming discourse grammar (grammar of rhetoric for Carl), which I
hope to finally finish today. Information about it can be found at my
blog. All of the relevant posts are categorized under "information
structure."
Information structure is an important area, but not for the faint of
heart. Expect to be frustrated and not to fully understand the nuances
in the beginning.
Hope this helps,
Steve Runge
www.ntdiscourse.org
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[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Carl W. Conrad
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 2 Peter 1:20-21 and word order of
This is pretty clearly a message for the list sent to the wrong address.
(Moderator)
From: "Jim Vinton" <jim_vinton at sil.org>
Date: January 13, 2009 7:10:09 AM EST
To: "'Randall Buth'" <randallbuth at gmail.com>
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Subject: RE: [B-Greek] 2 Peter 1:20-21 and word order of ANQRWPOI
I agree with the last two posts, that ANQRWPOI is not in an emphatic
position.
However, I'm now very curious: what is 'Helma Dik's approach' and how
would I use it on other passages?
Take care,
Jim Vinton
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[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Randall Buth
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Subject: [B-Greek] 2 Peter 1:20-21 and word order of ANQRWPOI
> 2 Peter 1:20 TOUTO PRWTON GINWSKONTES
> hOTI PASA PROFHTEIA GRAFHS IDIAS EPILUSEWS OU GINETAI
> 21 OU GAR QELHMATI ANQRWPOU HNECQH PROFHTEIA POTE ALLA hUPO
> PNEUMATOS hAGIOU FEROMENOI ELALHSAN APO QEOU ANQRWPOI
A reading that is possibly in line with Helma Dik's approach, at least
in the same ballpark, would be that there happen to be three focal
elements in the three KOMMATA IDIAS EPILYSEWS OY QELHMATI ANQRWPOY and
YPO PNEYMATOS AGIOY
ANQRWPOI is showing up in a default position, and APO QEOY may have been
'dragged'
into the verb phrase to form a quasi unit as a paraphrase of
PROFHTEIA: 'speaking from God'
NB: the Byz text reads quite differently AGIOI QEOY ANQRWPOI "holy men
of God" and the phrase would remain as a default clause order.
ERRWSQE
Randall
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