[B-Greek] PASA GRAGH QEOPNEUSTOS KAI WFELIMOS--2 Timothy 3:16
Oun Kwon
kwonbbl at gmail.com
Sun Jul 26 02:33:03 EDT 2009
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 9:45 AM, Mark Lightman<lightmanmark at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Leonard,
>
> Your parallel of Mk 2:28 with 2 Tim 3:16 is not a perfect one
> for the reasons George and Aaron noted. You need a more
> perfect parallel. How about Iliad 25:319?
>
> Πας βασιλευς αγαθος και σοφος.
> PAS BASILEUS AGAQOS KAI SOFOS.
>
> This does not mean "Every king is good and wise" but
> "Every good king is also wise." Except there is no Iliad
> 25. I made this sentence up. The question is, if a sentence
> like this exists in Greek literature, how would you find it?
> I'm pretty sure nothing like this is in the NT, but I would
> think you could find something like this somewhere
> in Greek literature, but I don't know
> enough about the search tools to know how to do it.
> It would be tough because the key word here is KAI,
> which would give you millions of hits, unless you could
> program it to look for the word sandwiched between
> an attributive and predicate adjective and meaning
> not "and' but "even, also," but I don't think
> computers are that smart, yet. So we all need
> to help you by trying to find a construction like
> this as we do our reading. When is the deadline
> for your article?
>
> If you can't find something better than Mk 2:28 I would go
> ahead and use it. Parallels are rarely perfect. Normally, you
> don't have to show that a construction exists in the NT or
> elsewhere to argue for a given rendering, but since there
> is a simple way to take this passage, it would help to
> have some parallel for the more unusual way you want to
> construe it.
>
> I have a rule that I never use Greek to make theological
> points. I love Greek and I love theological points but
> the combination always strikes me as creepy. Better off
> to stick to the English and to the history of doctrine. Paul
> has established that the law is nullified in Jesus Christ, so the
> question naturally arises if the Old Testament has any use.
> This is Paul's point, that it's useful as far as it goes for reproof
> and training, [Some?] scripture still has some lingering God breath in it, but
> that is incidental to his point.
>
>
> Mark L
> Φωσφορος
>
>
As I see it, the problem Leonard has seems from his thinking KAI = 'and'.
One thing I learned about Greek is KAI = not 'and' every the time, but
also has sense of 'also' 'even' 'yeah' 'but', etc. depending on its
position and the context.
Oun Kwon.
P.S. Jusus did not nullify the law. See Mt 5:17. Of course, we have
to, first, define what 'law' is, before any argument is possible. I
have to refrain from adding more than that, because it is more of
exegesis and theology.
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