[B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 10 10:53:40 EDT 2009


It appears that this was intended for the list when Donald sent his email.  For some reason I thought it was offlist.  I've inserted the transliteration and am forwarding it to the list.  The portion set off by / . . . / is to be mentally removed.  I have left it solely to indicate that it was originally not sent to the list.  [* . . . *] sets of what I have inserted for the sake of clarification.

george
gfsomsel 


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
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----- Forwarded Message ----
From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: Donald COBB <docobb at orange.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 1:12:29 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7


It isn't εὐαγγέλιον EUAGGELION either with or without the article /[dispensing with translit since this isn't for the list]/.  Let me make explicit what I have in mind

Θαυμάζω ὅτι οὕτως ταχέως μετατίθεσθε ἀπὸ [*τοῦ εὐαγγελίου*] τοῦ καλέσαντος ὑμᾶς ἐν χάριτι [Χριστοῦ]εἰς ἕτερον εὐαγγέλιον, 
QAUMAZO hOTI hOUTWS TAXEWS METATIQESQE APO [*TOU EUAGGELIOU*] TOU KALESANTOS hUMAS EN XARITI [XRISTOU EIS hETERON EUAGGELION
 
Does that clarify it any?  It is ἀπὸ τοῦ εὐαγγελίου εἰς ἕτερον εὐαγγέλιον APO TOU EUAGGELIOU EIS hETERON EUAGGELION.
 george
gfsomsel 


… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
_________ 




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From: Donald COBB <docobb at orange.fr>
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:32:34 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7

Dear George,

Far be it from me to lop off your neck! (or your head, for that matter!)

I do have a little difficulty following your interpretation, though. EUAGGELION without the article, in a different case and separated from the participle, has little to commend to itself as the subject. Especially with hO OUK ESTIN ALLO, Paul's thought seems to run smoothly: the Galatians have turned to another gospel which is, in fact "not another 'Gospel'" at all. How would you take the hO OUK ESTIN ALLO?

Paul uses the verbe KALEW three other times in Galatians; in two of those occurences the subject is clearly God. The first comes just a few verses later, in ch. 1:

Gal 1:15: Ὅτε δὲ εὐδόκησεν [ὁ θεὸς] ὁ ἀφορίσας με ἐκ κοιλίας μητρός μου καὶ καλέσας διὰ τῆς χάριτος αὐτοῦ, hOTE DE EUDOKHSEN [hO QEOS] hO AFORISAS ME EK KOILIAS MHTROS MOU KAI KALESAS DIA THS CARITOS AUTOU.

Gal 5:7: Ἐτρέχετε καλῶς· τίς ὑμᾶς ἐνέκοψεν [τῇ] ἀληθείᾳ μὴ πείθεσθαι; 8 ἡ πεισμονὴ οὐκ ἐκ τοῦ καλοῦντος ὑμᾶς, ETRECETE KALWS· TIS hUMAS ENEKOYEN [THi] ALHQEIAi MH PEIQESQAI; hH PEISMONH OUK EK TOU KALOUNTOS hUMAS.

In neither of these cases is the subject explicitly QEOS (unless the vl is retained for 1:15), but I would have a hard time convincing myself that it could be the Gospel (the third occurence is 5:15, passive voice). Outside Galatians, when Paul uses the verb in the active voice in similar contexts, if the subjet is specified or can be discerned from the context, it's always QEOS. It's often in the passive, which should probably be construed as a "passivum divinum".

2 Th 2:14 is an interesting confirmation: εἰς ὃ [καὶ] ἐκάλεσεν ὑμᾶς διὰ τοῦ εὐαγγελίου ἡμῶν εἰς περιποίησιν δόξης τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ, EIS hO [KAI] EKALESEN hUMAS DIA TOU EUAGGELIOU hHMWN EIS PERIPOIHSIN DOXHS TOU KURIOU hHMWN IHSOU CRISTOU.

The Gospel in this verse is the means of the calling, not the subjet.

Blessings,

Donald Cobb
Aix-en-Provence

----- Original Message ----- From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
To: "Charles Johnson" <cpj5117 at gmail.com>; "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7


> 6Θαυμάζω ὅτι οὕτως ταχέως μετατίθεσθε ἀπὸ τοῦ καλέσαντος ὑμᾶς ἐν χάριτι [Χριστοῦ]εἰς ἕτερον εὐαγγέλιον, 7ὃ οὐκ ἔστιν ἄλλο, εἰ μή τινές εἰσιν οἱ ταράσσοντες ὑμᾶς καὶ θέλοντες μεταστρέψαι τὸ εὐαγγέλιον τοῦ Χριστοῦ.
> 
> QAUMAZW hOTI hOUTWS TAXEWS METATIQESQE APO TOU KALESANTOS hUMAS EN XARITI [XRISTOU] EIS hETERON EUAGGELION. 7 hO OUK ESTIN ALLO, EI MH TINES EISIN hOI TARASSONTES hUMAS KAI QELONTES METASTREYAI TO EUAGGELION TOU XRISTOU.
> 
> I have a slightly different take on this from the normal. It is usual to supply the subject here as being [in the AV tradition] God. Therefore καλέσαντος KALESANTOS is generally construed as a aor masc gen sg part, but it could also be a aor neuter gen sg part. In that case, what would be the subject? The neut noun εὐαγγέλιον EUAGGELION ! Although one must also understand τοῦ εὐαγγελίου TOU EUAGGELIOU in the gen abs as one must understand τοῦ θεοῦ TOU QEOU in the usual understanding of the passage, the word is already right there to be brought to mind. Also, εἰ μή might be understood after the manner of the English "unless" which is really very similar to "except." The sense would then be that he is surprised that they are forsaking the GOSPEL WHICH CALLED them into Christ's favor for another gospel. He is surprised UNLESS some persons are disturbing them by trying to
> alter the gospel itself.
> 
> I've attempted to avoid coming out and giving an actual translation though I realize that it is very close to being one. Hopefully this will make some sense.
> george
> gfsomsel
> 
> 
> … search for truth, hear truth,
> learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> defend the truth till death.
> 
> 
> - Jan Hus
> _________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Charles Johnson <cpj5117 at gmail.com>
> To: B Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 3:22:10 PM
> Subject: [B-Greek] Galatians 1:6-7
> 
> I have a question about how certain clauses are connected in Galatians
> 1:6-7. I'm looking particularly at the clause in v.7 beginning with ει μη.
> Many versions seem to render it as a subordinate clause under ο ουκ εστιν
> αλλο. Leedy's NT diagrams in Bibleworks agree. I see that several versions
> indicate that relationship and some others appear to be more ambiguous. So,
> understanding that I'm probably wrong, I thought I would propose an
> alternate solution.
> 
> I cannot make good logical sense out of "which is not another [gospel],
> except there are some who trouble you...." I further struggle with the idea
> of placing a subordinate clause under what appears to be a parenthetical
> statement. Rather, would it be possible to connect the ει μη back to θαυμαζω
> in v. 6? The distinctive force of ει μη as "except" makes good sense in this
> arrangement. The paraphrase would be as follows:
> 
> "I [would be] amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by
> the grace of Christ for a different gospel (not that there is another),
> except [I know] there are some who trouble you...."
> 
> The words in brackets are my amplifications. In other words, Paul is saying
> he would be amazed except that he knows about this dangerous threat. Using
> the naked indicative in the main clause highlights his amazement. Is my idea
> a possibility?
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