[B-Greek] 1Tim.4:1 To Pneuma = “The Inspired Utterance”

Elizabeth Kline kline_dekooning at earthlink.net
Wed Jun 17 17:46:58 EDT 2009


On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:13 PM, Carl Conrad wrote:

> On Jun 17, 2009, at 4:18 PM, Robert George wrote:
>
>> Without naming the version (e.g. NWT), how plausible / permissible is
>> their translation in this text? ~ (Out of 100, works for me.)
>
> If you want to raise questions about how particular versio;ns --
> whether or not you name them explicitly -- this is NOT the place to do
> it. I suggest that y;ou take your question to the Bible-Translation
> list (:https://lists.kastanet.org/Lists/Bible-Translation/List.html).

Translations aside, this is an interesting text.

  TO PNEUMA as the subject/agent of LEGEI is found in the Apocalypse  
of John

Rev. 2:7 Ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ  
πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις. Τῷ  
νικῶντι δώσω αὐτῷ φαγεῖν ἐκ τοῦ  
ξύλου τῆς ζωῆς, ὅ ἐστιν ἐν τῷ  
παραδείσῳ τοῦ θεοῦ.

Rev. 2:11 Ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ  
πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις. Ὁ  
νικῶν οὐ μὴ ἀδικηθῇ ἐκ τοῦ θανάτου  
τοῦ δευτέρου.

Rev. 2:17 Ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ  
πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις. Τῷ  
νικῶντι δώσω αὐτῷ τοῦ μάννα τοῦ  
κεκρυμμένου καὶ δώσω αὐτῷ ψῆφον  
λευκήν, καὶ ἐπὶ τὴν ψῆφον ὄνομα  
καινὸν γεγραμμένον ὃ οὐδεὶς οἶδεν  
εἰ μὴ ὁ λαμβάνων.

Rev. 2:29 Ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ  
πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις.

Rev. 3:6 Ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ  
πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις.

Rev. 3:13 Ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ  
πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις.

Rev. 3:22 Ὁ ἔχων οὖς ἀκουσάτω τί τὸ  
πνεῦμα λέγει ταῖς ἐκκλησίαις.

Rev. 14:13 Καὶ ἤκουσα φωνῆς ἐκ τοῦ  
οὐρανοῦ λεγούσης· γράψον· μακάριοι  
οἱ νεκροὶ οἱ ἐν κυρίῳ  
ἀποθνῄσκοντες ἀπ᾿ ἄρτι. ναί, λέγει  
τὸ πνεῦμα, ἵνα ἀναπαήσονται ἐκ τῶν  
κόπων αὐτῶν, τὰ γὰρ ἔργα αὐτῶν  
ἀκολουθεῖ μετ᾿ αὐτῶν.

REV. 2:7 hO ECWN OUS AKOUSATW TI TO PNEUMA LEGEI TAIS EKKLHSIAIS. TWi  
NIKWNTI DWSW AUTWi FAGEIN EK TOU XULOU THS ZWHS, hO ESTIN EN TWi  
PARADEISWi TOU QEOU.

REV. 2:11 hO ECWN OUS AKOUSATW TI TO PNEUMA LEGEI TAIS EKKLHSIAIS. hO  
NIKWN OU MH ADIKHQHi EK TOU QANATOU TOU DEUTEROU.

REV. 2:17 hO ECWN OUS AKOUSATW TI TO PNEUMA LEGEI TAIS EKKLHSIAIS. TWi  
NIKWNTI DWSW AUTWi TOU MANNA TOU KEKRUMMENOU KAI DWSW AUTWi YHFON  
LEUKHN, KAI EPI THN YHFON ONOMA KAINON GEGRAMMENON hO OUDEIS OIDEN EI  
MH hO LAMBANWN.

REV. 2:29 hO ECWN OUS AKOUSATW TI TO PNEUMA LEGEI TAIS EKKLHSIAIS.

REV. 3:6 hO ECWN OUS AKOUSATW TI TO PNEUMA LEGEI TAIS EKKLHSIAIS.

REV. 3:13 hO ECWN OUS AKOUSATW TI TO PNEUMA LEGEI TAIS EKKLHSIAIS.

REV. 3:22 hO ECWN OUS AKOUSATW TI TO PNEUMA LEGEI TAIS EKKLHSIAIS.

REV. 14:13 KAI HKOUSA FWNHS EK TOU OURANOU LEGOUSHS· GRAYON· MAKARIOI  
hOI NEKROI hOI EN KURIWi APOQNHiSKONTES AP᾿ ARTI. NAI, LEGEI TO  
PNEUMA, hINA ANAPAHSONTAI EK TWN KOPWN AUTWN, TA GAR ERGA AUTWN  
AKOLOUQEI MET᾿ AUTWN.

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In the Pasotrals, PNEUMATOS hAGIOU functions as an agent in

2Tim 1:14 τὴν καλὴν παραθήκην φύλαξον  
διὰ πνεύματος ἁγίου τοῦ  
ἐνοικοῦντος ἐν ἡμῖν.

2TIM 1:14 THN KALHN PARAQHKHN FULAXON DIA PNEUMATOS hAGIOU TOU  
ENOIKOUNTOS EN hHMIN.

Titus 3:4 ὅτε δὲ ἡ χρηστότης καὶ ἡ  
φιλανθρωπία ἐπεφάνη τοῦ σωτῆρος  
ἡμῶν θεοῦ,  5 οὐκ ἐξ ἔργων τῶν ἐν  
δικαιοσύνῃ ἃ ἐποιήσαμεν ἡμεῖς  
ἀλλὰ κατὰ τὸ αὐτοῦ ἔλεος ἔσωσεν  
ἡμᾶς διὰ λουτροῦ παλιγγενεσίας καὶ  
ἀνακαινώσεως πνεύματος ἁγίου,  6 οὗ  
ἐξέχεεν ἐφ᾿ ἡμᾶς πλουσίως διὰ  
Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ τοῦ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν,

TITUS 3:4 hOTE DE hH CRHSTOTHS KAI hH FILANQRWPIA EPEFANH TOU SWTHROS  
hHMWN QEOU,  5 OUK EX ERGWN TWN EN DIKAIOSUNHi hA EPOIHSAMEN hHMEIS  
ALLA KATA TO AUTOU ELEOS ESWSEN hHMAS DIA LOUTROU PALIGGENESIAS KAI  
ANAKAINWSEWS PNEUMATOS hAGIOU,  6 hOU EXECEEN EF᾿ hHMAS PLOUSIWS DIA  
IHSOU CRISTOU TOU SWTHROS hHMWN,

Discovering the referent of TO PNEUMA in 1Tim. 4:1 isn't a problem and  
there is not controversy about it that I could discover (JND Kelly  
BNTC, Mounce WBC, Knight NIGHT, Marshall ICC).

1Tim. 4:1 Τὸ δὲ πνεῦμα ῥητῶς λέγει ὅτι  
ἐν ὑστέροις καιροῖς ἀποστήσονταί  
τινες τῆς πίστεως προσέχοντες  
πνεύμασιν πλάνοις καὶ διδασκαλίαις  
δαιμονίων,

1TIM. 4:1 TO DE PNEUMA hRHTWS LEGEI hOTI EN hUSTEROIS KAIROIS  
APOSTHSONTAI TINES THS PISTEWS PROSECONTES PNEUMASIN PLANOIS KAI  
DIDASKALIAIS DAIMONIWN,

There is some discussion about the exact nature of the object of  
LEGEI. Was it written down? Is this a general reference to several  
prophetic texts but not a direct quote, no of this has to do with the  
referent of TO PNEUMA.

Elizabeth Kline







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