[B-Greek] Luke 17:16 simple conditional statement???
Mark Lightman
lightmanmark at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 30 12:52:59 EDT 2009
Carl wrote:
<The present tense of ECETE is odd; the more
appropriate imperfect form EICETE. is less to
be noted among textual variants than EAN ECHTE,
which is not at all appropriate.>
I know that textual criticism is technically beyond
the parameters of the list, but I find it odd that neither
NA 27 nor Metzger has a note here indicating that
EIXETE is found in the Textus Receptus. It must
be poorly attested, because even Robinson Pierpont
prints EXETE without a note, although Hodges/Farstad
does at least have a note. Without in any way arguing that
EIXETE is original, it seems it should at least be brought
to ones attention. (And I'm glad Carl did so.)
The NASB and the NRSV, by giving "If you had
faith" (compare NIV "If you have faith") seem to
treat the passage as a normal contrary to fact condition,
although I don't know if this is because one often regularly
finds these "mixed" types with presents where you would
expect imperfects, or because these versions are still
being influenced by the KJV which follows the T.R.
Again, I say this not to argue for one or another text type,
but just to point out what I've noticed before, that
NA 27 often fails to even note T.R. readings which may
be secondary but should at least be part of the discussion.
Mark L
Φωσφορος Μαρκος
FWSFOROS MARKOS
--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com> wrote:
From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Luke 17:16 simple conditional statement???
To: "Travis Schuler" <jckaroe95 at yahoo.com>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 10:10 AM
On Jun 30, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Travis Schuler wrote:
> Luke 17:6 εἶπεν δὲ ὁ κύριος εἰ ἔχετε
> πίστιν ὡς κόκκον σινάπεως ἐλέγετε
> ἂν
> τῇ συκαμίνῳ ταύτῃ ἐκριζώθητι καὶ
> φυτεύθητι ἐν τῇ θαλάσσῃ καὶ
> ὑπήκουσεν
> ἂν ὑμῖν.
Our B-Greek protocol requires that IF you cite the Greek text using
Unicode UTF-8 Greek, you MUST ALSO give the text in transliterated form:
EIPEN DE hO KURIOS, EI ECETE PISTIN hWS KOKKON SINAPEWS, ELEGETE AN
THi SUKAMINWi TAUTHi, EKRIZWQHTI KAI FUTEUQHTE EN THi QALASSHi KAI
hUPHKOUSEN AN hUMIN.
>
> Is this a simple conditional statement??? the use of the indicative
> in the protasis seems to indicate it is, but I understand simple
> conditionals are rather rare. Also, the theological interpretations
> I have encountered seem to treat this verse as a general conditional
> statement. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
This is actually a mixed condition, but in its fundamental structure,
it is closer to a present counterfactual co;ndition; we would really
expect the protasis to be in the indicative imperfect, since the
apodoses are ELEGETE AN and hUPHKOUSEN AN, which are appropriate to
present and past counterfactual result-clauses.. The present tense of
ECETE is odd; the more appropriate imperfect form EICETE. is less to
be noted among textual variants than EAN ECHTE, which is not at all
appropriate.
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
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