[B-Greek] Fwd: Ephesians 2:1-3

Doug Knighton douglas.knighton at verizon.net
Tue Mar 24 12:55:47 EDT 2009


Translation may be off topic, but if we ask John's question a little
differently, I think we can keep it "on": Why is hHMAS in 2:1 in the
accusative case? 

 

I think we need to go to 2:5 to see how this resolves itself: kai. o;ntaj
h`ma/j nekrou.j toi/j paraptw,masin sunezwopoi,hsen tw/| Cristw/|( KAI ONTAS
hHMAS NEKROUS TOIS PARAPTWMASIN SUNEZWOPOIHSEN TO XRISTW.

 

Here Paul returns to his opening gambit (albeit in a shortened format)
following the parenthetical wanderings of 2-4. It seems clear here that
hHMAS (and therefore ONTAS) is in the accusative case because it is the
direct object of SUNEZWOPOIHSEN. Once we see this connection, then we can
use Ms Kline's response concerning the time element.

 

Doug Knighton, Ch Col USAF (Ret)

 

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From: John Butzu <jbutzu at gmail.com>

Date: Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 10:01 AM

Subject: Ephesians 2:1-3

To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org

 

 

Hello.  Could someone please explain to me why in Ephesians 2:1 the greek

word ONTAS is translated as being in the past tense when it seems to be

present as such.  Should it not read something like: "And you, being dead in

trespasses"... etc.

 

Also, with addition of the second "you" (hUMWN) would that be correctly

translated as "and *you* being dead in *your* trespasses and in

*your*sins"?  Sorry if these questions don't require alot of mental

exertion to

answer... I'm just trying to learn!

 

Lastly, it seems to me that Ephesians 2:1-3 is quite weird in to read in the

greek... kind of a long fragmented or run on sentence.  Do you think that

was why translators added in different tranlations (KJV, etc.) "hath he

quickened"?

 

Thank you for your patience.

 

Sincerely,

John Butzu

 

jbutzu at gmail.com

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