[B-Greek] Replacement daily reading.Re: Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
frank boumphrey
koinebible at gmail.com
Sun Mar 29 06:41:02 EDT 2009
Although nothing will replace the Zhubert site,
I have put up a replacement for his daily read at:
http://biblegreek.net/dailypassage/reading.php?kjv=true
available as Greek only, or a Greek/KJV diglot
I am working on a Greek/vulgate version
Frank Boumphrey
koinebible at gmail.com
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Brian Abasciano <bvabasciano at gmail.com>wrote:
> That is sad news. I would suggest going here--
> http://www.ntgateway.com/greek-ntgateway/greek-new-testament-texts/ -- to
> see the other main options for online biblical Greek texts.
>
> Brian Abasciano
>
> ***************
>
> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:19:02 -0400
> From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> Subject: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
> To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
> Message-ID: <AD6C5F6D-ECC3-4923-A304-8C2AE32917CD at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> See the announcement on the "Biblical Studies and Technological Tools"
> blog:
>
> http://bibleandtech.blogspot.com/2009/03/zhubert-regreek-goes-offline.html
> = http://tinyurl.com/dh49ut
>
> and the briefer note at the zhubert.com site itself:
>
> http://zhubert.com/
>
> This is a big blow to many a student of Biblical texts in the original
> languages. For B-Greekers, a secondary (tertiary?) inconvenience is
> that one could always go there for a quick recoding of a Biblical
> Greek text in the standard B-Greek transliteration scheme. That too is
> lost. Evidently the fundamental problem is that the text employed as
> provided by James Tauber's MorphGNT is under copyright. Without that
> text the whole functionality of the site collapses.
>
> As Robert El Lee is reported to have muttered repeaedly while
> withdrawing from the battle site at Gettysburg, "Too bad! Too bad! ...
> " Not that I wish the battle had turned out otherwise, but Lee's sense
> of the magnitude of the loss of that battle can be appreciated by
> those who will miss the zhubert.com site.
>
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Co-Chair, B-Greek List
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu or cwconrad2 at mac.com
> WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/<http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/%7Ecwconrad/>
>
>
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> > 1. JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU (Elizabeth Kline)
> > 2. Re: JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU (Elizabeth Kline)
> > 3. Acts 26:17 (Ross Assink)
> > 4. Re: little problem (Bert de Haan)
> > 5. Re: Acts 26:17 (Carl Conrad)
> > 6. Re: Acts 26:17 (Ross Assink)
> > 7. Re: JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU (jerry)
> > 8. Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online (Carl Conrad)
> > 9. Re: Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online (George F Somsel)
> > 10. Barabbas, son of a father (ronmacy at juno.com)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:26:57 -0700
> > From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
> > To: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <0E819CEE-19DA-4B6D-9ACC-D3A23FCC5D8F at earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > JOHN 12:3 hH OUN MARIAM LABOUSA LITRAN MUROU NARDOU PISTIKHS POLUTIMOU
> > HLEIYEN TOUS PODAS TOU IHSOU KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS
> > AUTOU: hH DE OIKIA EPLHRWQH EK THS OSMHS TOU MUROU.
> >
> >
> > ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS AUTOU:
> >
> > This is somewhat over encoded from the standpoint of referential
> > identity both of the subject and the object. The use of AUTHS
> > following MARIAM is unremarkable even though zero anaphora would also
> > work here. The second TOUS PODAS isn't required to identify the
> > referent. In other words the clause might be reduced to one of the
> > following:
> >
> >
> > ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTOUS
> > ... KAI EXEMAXEN AUTOUS TAIS QRIXIN
> >
> > or perhaps even
> >
> > ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN
> >
> > The repetition of TOUS PODAS might serve to draw added attention to
> > the startling nature of the act being performed, assuming that it was
> > startling in that time and culture.
> >
> > Elizabeth Kline
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 11:37:23 -0700
> > From: Elizabeth Kline <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
> > To: greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <6D36322A-41C2-4B84-A96E-614FCE911DF0 at earthlink.net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Elizabeth Kline wrote:
> >
> >> JOHN 12:3 hH OUN MARIAM LABOUSA LITRAN MUROU NARDOU PISTIKHS POLUTIMOU
> >> HLEIYEN TOUS PODAS TOU IHSOU KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS
> >> AUTOU: hH DE OIKIA EPLHRWQH EK THS OSMHS TOU MUROU.
> >>
> >>
> >> ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTHS TOUS PODAS AUTOU:
> >>
> >> This is somewhat over encoded from the standpoint of referential
> >> identity both of the subject and the object. The use of AUTHS
> >> following MARIAM is unremarkable even though zero anaphora would also
> >> work here. The second TOUS PODAS isn't required to identify the
> >> referent. In other words the clause might be reduced to one of the
> >> following:
> >>
> >>
> >> ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN AUTOUS
> >> ... KAI EXEMAXEN AUTOUS TAIS QRIXIN
> >>
> >> or perhaps even
> >>
> >> ... KAI EXEMAXEN TAIS QRIXIN
> >>
> >> The repetition of TOUS PODAS might serve to draw added attention to
> >> the startling nature of the act being performed, assuming that it was
> >> startling in that time and culture.
> >
> >
> > Why is it that errors always become pefectly obvious after you have
> > sent the post :-)
> >
> > AUTHS is genitive, so it is not the subject of verb, and for that
> > reason it does serve a purpose here to qualify TAIS QRIXIN.
> >
> > Elizabeth Kline
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 12:17:13 -0700
> > From: "Ross Assink" <ross.assink at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
> > To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <001a01c9a990$7b8ef140$ad0010ac at monicastoy>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > I have been reading through Acts as of late and came across vs. 17 which
> > says,
> >
> > Act 26:17 ??????????????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????, ???? ???
> > ????? ?? ???????????
> >
> > Does the plural ??? simply refer to the plural "Gentiles" or to both
> > "peoples" and "Gentiles"?
> >
> > thank you,
> > Ross Assink
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:41:27 -0400
> > From: Bert de Haan <dehaanaf at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] little problem
> > To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <5362103d0903201241t248a406fo6fdd3d9543aac48e at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> >
> > I receive the digest version and Greek characters do show up.
> > Bert de Haan
> >
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From:?frank boumphrey <koinebible at gmail.com>
> >> To:?Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> >> Date:?Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:44:29 -0400
> >> Subject:?Re: [B-Greek] little problem
> >> FTR if you receive the digest version it is sent in UTF8, no Greek
> >> characters will show
> >> Also unless you have a specialized Greek font installed such as
> >> Aristarcoj,
> >> it is not easy to type Greek Characters on an english Keyboard
> >> Frank
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:51:44 -0400
> > From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
> > To: Ross Assink <ross.assink at gmail.com>
> > Cc: B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID: <E4359DAE-559A-4F24-82C9-F5B815F2E90C at mac.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> >
> > On Mar 20, 2009, at 3:17 PM, Ross Assink wrote:
> >
> >> I have been reading through Acts as of late and came across vs. 17
> >> which says,
> >>
> >> Act 26:17 ??????????????? ?? ??? ????
> >> ????? ???? ???? ???????, ???? ???
> >> ????? ?? ???????????
> >
> > We were just talking about this: BG protocol requires that the Unicode
> > Greek text be accompanied by a transliteration: EXAIROMENOS SE EK TOU
> > LAOU KAI TWN EQNWN, EIS hOUS EGW SE APOSTELLW
> >
> >>
> >> Does the plural ??? simply refer to the plural "Gentiles" or to
> >> both "peoples" and "Gentiles"?
> >
> > Most likely both: hOUS is masc. pl., whereas LAOU is masc. sg. and
> > EQNWN is neut. pl.; I'd guess this is what's called a 'constuctio ad
> > sensum.'
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 6
> > Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 13:14:24 -0700
> > From: "Ross Assink" <ross.assink at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
> > To: <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <002d01c9a998$77aa1c50$ad0010ac at monicastoy>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> > Sorry about that, i'm new to the list.
> > Thanks Sarah for the letter breakdown.
> > Thanks Carl for the answer.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Sarah Madden
> > To: Ross Assink
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Acts 26:17
> >
> >
> > Hi, Ross.
> > I can't read your Greek font for some reason. Others will send you more
> > detailed information on the B-Greek "standards" and even a Web site to
> > use. In addition to pasting in the Greek text, B-Greekers are asked to
> > transliterate the Greek into all-capped "English" letters. See below.
> >
> > For example, John 1:1 looks like this: EN ARCH HN hO LOGOS, KAI hO
> LOGOS
> > HN PROS THN QEON KAI QEOS HN hO LOGOS.
> >
> > Below are the b-Greek letters I know (to indicate a rough breathing
> mark,
> > place a lower-case "h" before the vowel):
> >
> > A = alpha
> > B = beta
> > G = gamma
> > D = delta
> >
> > E = epsilon
> > Z = zeta
> > H = eta (Notice that B-Greek transliterates eta as an English "H" only
> > because it looks like an "H" in Greek)
> > Q - theta (same reason)
> >
> > I = iota
> > K = kappa
> > L = lambda
> > M - mu
> >
> > N = nu
> > = xi (I can't remember this one, but it's pronounced "ksee" -- it's
> > probably an English "X")
> > O = omicron
> > P = pi
> >
> > R = rho
> > S = sigma (for both sigmas)
> > T = tau
> > U = upsilon
> >
> > F = phi
> > C = chi
> > Y = psi (because of the look of an English "Y," not its sound)
> > W = omega (same reason)
> >
> > Sarah ><>
> > Maryland
> > sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Ross Assink <ross.assink at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I have been reading through Acts as of late and came across vs. 17
> > which says,
> >
> > Act 26:17 ??????????????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???????, ????
> ???
> > ????? ?? ???????????
> >
> > Does the plural ??? simply refer to the plural "Gentiles" or to both
> > "peoples" and "Gentiles"?
> >
> > thank you,
> > Ross Assink
> > ---
> > B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
> > B-Greek mailing list
> > B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sarah ><>
> > sarah.r.madden at gmail.com
> > work: 301.429.8189
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 04:05:56 -0400
> > From: "jerry" <gerald_davis at hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
> > To: "B-Greek" <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Message-ID: <BAY120-DS4BF22B145AEC302C777CCE0940 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> > I am convinced it is physics, the Copenhagen interpretation. It is said
> > that the problem with Quantum Entanglement is not epistemological but
> > ontological.*
> >
> > jerry
> >
> >
> > * SciAm March '09
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Elizabeth Kline" <kline_dekooning at earthlink.net>
> > Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 2:37 PM
> > To: "greek B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] JOHN 12:3 TOUS PODAS AUTOU
> >
> >>
> >> Why is it that errors always become pefectly obvious after you have
> >> sent the post :-)
> >>
> >> Elizabeth Kline
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 07:19:02 -0400
> > From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> > Subject: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
> > To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
> > Message-ID: <AD6C5F6D-ECC3-4923-A304-8C2AE32917CD at mac.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
> >
> > See the announcement on the "Biblical Studies and Technological Tools"
> > blog:
> >
> >
> http://bibleandtech.blogspot.com/2009/03/zhubert-regreek-goes-offline.html
> > = http://tinyurl.com/dh49ut
> >
> > and the briefer note at the zhubert.com site itself:
> >
> > http://zhubert.com/
> >
> > This is a big blow to many a student of Biblical texts in the original
> > languages. For B-Greekers, a secondary (tertiary?) inconvenience is
> > that one could always go there for a quick recoding of a Biblical
> > Greek text in the standard B-Greek transliteration scheme. That too is
> > lost. Evidently the fundamental problem is that the text employed as
> > provided by James Tauber's MorphGNT is under copyright. Without that
> > text the whole functionality of the site collapses.
> >
> > As Robert El Lee is reported to have muttered repeaedly while
> > withdrawing from the battle site at Gettysburg, "Too bad! Too bad! ...
> > " Not that I wish the battle had turned out otherwise, but Lee's sense
> > of the magnitude of the loss of that battle can be appreciated by
> > those who will miss the zhubert.com site.
> >
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Co-Chair, B-Greek List
> > Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> > cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu or cwconrad2 at mac.com
> > WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/<http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/%7Ecwconrad/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 06:30:01 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
> > To: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>, B-Greek B-Greek
> > <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
> > Message-ID: <747042.16210.qm at web38507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >
> > While I never did more that make a few visits to determine what was
> > available, I am sorry to see that those who?have found it useful will no
> > longer have it as?a resource.? I, of course, have other resources through
> > my Logos software.? The one thing that I might have used like everyone
> > else is the transliteration, but I?always did my own transliteration
> > although it is in a (very slightly) idiosyncratic form.? RIP?zhubert.com
> .
> > ?george
> > gfsomsel
> >
> >
> > ? search for truth, hear truth,
> > learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth,
> > defend the truth till death.
> >
> >
> > - Jan Hus
> > _________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Carl Conrad <cwconrad2 at mac.com>
> > To: B-Greek B-Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Cc: Zack Hubert <zhubert at zhubert.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:19:02 AM
> > Subject: [B-Greek] Sad news: zhubert.com no longer online
> >
> > See the announcement on the "Biblical Studies and Technological Tools"?
> > blog:
> >
> >
> http://bibleandtech.blogspot.com/2009/03/zhubert-regreek-goes-offline.html
> > = http://tinyurl.com/dh49ut
> >
> > and the briefer note at the zhubert.com site itself:
> >
> > http://zhubert.com/
> >
> > This is a big blow to many a student of Biblical texts in the original?
> > languages. For B-Greekers, a secondary (tertiary?) inconvenience is?
> > that one could always go there for a quick recoding of a Biblical?
> > Greek text in the standard B-Greek transliteration scheme. That too is?
> > lost. Evidently the fundamental problem is that the text employed as?
> > provided by James Tauber's MorphGNT is under copyright. Without that?
> > text the whole functionality of the site collapses.
> >
> > As Robert El Lee is reported to have muttered repeaedly while?
> > withdrawing from the battle site at Gettysburg, "Too bad! Too bad! ...?
> > " Not that I wish the battle had turned out otherwise, but Lee's sense?
> > of the magnitude of the loss of that battle can be appreciated by?
> > those who will miss the zhubert.com site.
> >
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Co-Chair, B-Greek List
> > Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> > cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu or cwconrad2 at mac.com
> > WWW: http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/~cwconrad/<http://www.artsci.wustl.edu/%7Ecwconrad/>
> >
> >
> > ---
> > B-Greek home page: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
> > B-Greek mailing list
> > B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 10
> > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:48:09 GMT
> > From: "ronmacy at juno.com" <ronmacy at juno.com>
> > Subject: [B-Greek] Barabbas, son of a father
> > To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Message-ID: <20090321.084809.17906.0 at webmail24.vgs.untd.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I was thinking about a pre-Easter sermon and looking at the release of
> > Barabbas by Pilate.
> >
> > I was wondering about the meaning of Barabbas. One dictionary has the
> > meaning as "son of a father." It struck me that it might suggest one who
> > is illegitimate. I was thinking of the contrast between Barabbas (who's
> > your daddy?) and Jesus (the Christ, the son of David).
> >
> > Is there any possiblity to this meaning or am I just seeing it through
> > smoke and mirrors?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron Macy
> > Pastor DeKalb (IL) Advent Christian Church
> > ____________________________________________________________
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> > ------------------------------
> >
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