[B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19

Leonard Jayawardena leonardj at live.com
Mon Nov 2 06:40:17 EST 2009




Nikolaos Adamou wrote:

"If Jesus want to talk about KATHARW or KATHARIZW why did not use these words and He used KOINOW? Some translators use Defile - American Standard Version, but some Clean."

LJ: It's not clear what your point is, but if you are trying to base some argument on any distinction between these words, that does not work. KOINOW here is the opposite of KAQARIZW.

Acts 10:14-15: ... hOTI OUDEPOTE AFAGON PAN KOINON KAI AKAQARTON. KAI FWNH PALIN EK DEUTEROU PROS AUTON, hA hO QEOS EKAQARISEN, SU MH KOINOU.


Note that KOINOW here is the opposite of KAQARIZW. Note also that KOINON and AKAQARTON are used synonymously. Although the passage in Mark and that in Acts deal with two different issues, the terminology in the latter is relevant to the present discussion.


NK:

"Leonard Jayawardena wonders if Christ makes any scientific /biological statement.I do not think so, simply He provides an example using how a human body works,a pragmatological one, that all understand."


LJ: You misrepresent me. I wasn't really wondering whether Jesus was making a scientific statement. I was just asking that question purely for the sake of argument in an attempt to make any sense out of the passage with KAQARIZON, the reading you advocate.

 
NK:
 
Quote

It is clear that καθαρίζο(ω)ν πάντα τὰ βρώματα [KAQARIO(W)N PANTA TA BRWMATA] is not related as an implicit subject ot Jesus, but to εἰς τὸν ἀφεδρῶνα ἐκπορεύεται [EIS TON AFEDRWNA EKPOREUETAI]. Nor in this paragraph is anything that suggests that 
 
<In saying this, Jesus declared all foods “clean.>
 
it does not relate to anything that the text refers and discusses.
 
Unquote


LJ:


1. Your earlier position was that PAN TO EXWQEN EISPOREUOMENON was the subject of KAQARIZON. Have you now shifted your position?
 
2. If TON AFEDRWNA is the subject of KAQARIZON, how do you explain the lack of grammatical concord between that phrase and the participle?
 
3. What is your interpretation for KAQARIZON taken with EIS TON AFEDRWNA EXPOREUETAI?
 
4. Your insertion of "W" in KAQARIO(W)N is confusing. Did you do that to indicate that what you wrote holds true for both readings or just to indicate that there is a variant reading with "W"?
 
 
In a future post I will address your statement that there is nothing in the passage that suggests that "[In saying this, Jesus] declared all foods clean." In the meantime, I would appreciate your response to the above questions.
 
I regret I am unable to "Reply" to your e-mail so as to reproduce your entire message because if I do that my e-mail is sent to the list all garbled up--this is what happened last time.
 
 
Leonard Jayawardena 		 	   		  
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