[B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19
George F Somsel
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Mon Nov 2 08:57:32 EST 2009
If you understand KAQARIZWN ... as referring back to the implicit subject in LEGEI as you appear to do, then KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA must be the writer's comment rather than being contained in the quoted speech since LEGEI is itself a speech introduction formula.
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From: Leonard Jayawardena <leonardj at live.com>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Mon, November 2, 2009 1:27:02 AM
Subject: [B-Greek] Mark 7:18-19
>From the discussion on the subject verse, it seems that many find the grammar of this passage awkward or puzzling. The main cause for this, as I see it, is the distance from KAI LEGEI AUTOIS to KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA. But when you simplify it into the following form
KAI LEGEI AUTOIS, "...?", KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA.
doesn't this difficulty disappear?
(I have put the question mark after EKPOREUETAI--in agreement with Iver Larsen--because that's where it should be.)
It is not necessary to treat KAQARIZWN PANTA TA BRWMATA as an editorial comment of the writer; the words are an integral part of the sentence begun with LEGEI.
In Mark 10:2--in the same gospel--we have what may well be a parallel to the passage under discussion.
KAI PROSELQONTES FARISAIOI EPHRWTWN AUTON EI EXESTIN ANDRI GUNAIKA APoLUSAI, PEIRAZONTES AUTON.
The NASB puts the words from EI to APOLUSAI in indirect discourse: "And some Pharisees came up to Him, testing Him, and [began] to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife."
Robertson says that in Mk. 10:2 (parallel to Mt. 19:3) the question is indirect, while acknowledging that EI is used sometimes to introduce a direct question (A Grammar of the Greek New Testament, p. 916).
But I note that some translations treat the words as a direct question. For example, NIV:
Some Pharisees came and tested him by asking, "It is lawful for a man to divorce his wife?"
If EI in Mark 10:2 does introduce a direct question, that will provide, I think, an exact parallel to Mark 7:18-19, but I am not sure whether such an exact parallelism is necessary to use the former passage to support the position that Jesus, the implicit subject of LEGEI, is the subject of KAQARIZWN in the latter passage.
Any comments?
Leonard Jayawardena
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