[B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS in John 1:18-revised
Tom Moore
tom at katabiblon.com
Wed Nov 4 19:43:48 EST 2009
John,
Note that the examples from Smyth I gave are also all in the same case (but in different declensions: OSOS is neu. nom. sg. 3rd decl. while AKRON is 2nd decl.; NHSOS is fem. nom. sg. 2nd decl. while ESCATH is 1st decl.)
Smyth also adds "The meaning of the predicative position [AKRON TO OROS] is also expressed by (TO) AKRON TOU OROUS...."
Tom
> -------Original Message-------
> From: John Sanders <john.franklin.sanders at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS in John 1:18-revised
> Sent: Nov 05 '09 00:21
>
> Tom Moore wrote:
> "MONOGENHS (pred.) QEOS means God's only begotten?"
> �
> MONOGENHS and QEOS are in the same case.� Using the same sense and
> terminology you used, it would need be, I think, "only begotten is God"
> using the same word order as Greek.� For my part, I would prefer the
> attributive position becasue of the context.
> �
> John Sanders
> Suzhou, China
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Tom Moore <[LINK:
> mailto:tom at katabiblon.com] tom at katabiblon.com> wrote:
> For some adjectives, the meaning does change. Smyth (1172) says this
> occurs specifically with "adjectives of place":
>
> Attributive
> ARKON -- TO AKRON OROS = the lofty mountain
> MESH -- hH MESH AGORA = the central market
> ESCATH -- hH ESCATH NHSOS = the farthest island
>
> Predicative
> ARKON -- AKRON TO OROS = the top of the mountain
> MESH -- MESH hH AGORA = the center of the market
> ESCATH -- ESCATH hH NHSOS = the verge of the island
>
> MONOGENHS is not an adjective of place. However, could it still be
> possible, given the author has already established context in John 1:14
> with "MONOGENOUS PARA PATROS", that MONOGENHS (pred.) QEOS means God's
> only begotten?
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom Moore
>
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> > � From: Mark Lightman <[LINK: mailto:lightmanmark at yahoo.com]
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> > � Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS in
> John 1:18-revised
>
> > � Sent: Nov 04 '09 22:43
> >
> > � Whether it is predicate or attributive, with or without the article,
> is
> > � irrelevant to the point I was making, which is, what difference in
> > � meaning or anything else � is there if we consider MONOGENHS
> > � an adjective or a noun in apposition?
> >
> > � Mark L
> >
> >
> > � FWSFOROS MARKOS
> >
>
> > � --- On WED, 11/4/09, TOM MOORE _<[LINK: mailto:TOM at KATABIBLON.COM]
> TOM at KATABIBLON.COM>_ wrote:
> >
> > � From: Tom Moore <[LINK: mailto:tom at katabiblon.com] tom at katabiblon.com>
> > � Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS in
> John
> > � 1:18-revised
> > � To: "Blue Meeksbay" <[LINK: mailto:bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com]
> bluemeeksbay at yahoo.com>, "Mark Lightman"
> > � <[LINK: mailto:lightmanmark at yahoo.com] lightmanmark at yahoo.com>
> > � Cc: [LINK: mailto:b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org] b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > � Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, 3:28 PM
> >
> >
> > � I don't think we can say that MONOGENHS is not in the predicate
> position,
> > � can we?
> >
> > � Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the presence of an article
> somewhere
> > � in the expression MONOGENHS QEOS would fix MONOGENHS as either
> attributive
> > � or predicative, but in the absence of the article, it can be either.
> >
> > � MONOGENHS in the variant "hO MONOGENHS hUIOS" is attributive.
> > � MONOGENHS in "MONOGENHS hO QEOS" would be predicative.
> > � MONOGENHS in "MONOGENHS QEOS" is ambiguous.
> >
> > � Regards,
> > � Tom Moore
> >
> >
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> > � > � Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS
> in
> > � John 1:18-revised
> > � > � Sent: Nov 04 '09 20:18
> > � >
> > � > � Yes, that is a good point. � Thank you. I do not pretend to be an
> expert
> > � Greek scholar, so please tell me if I am wrong, but the difference
> seems to
> > � be that in John 1:18, MONOGENHS is not in the predicate position as
> your
> > � example shows. If � hO BASILEUS hO AGAQOS was written � hO AGAQOS
> BASILEUS, I
> > � think the normal understanding would be "the good king" and not "the
> good
> > � one, who is king." However, if it was written as you have it, hO
> BASILEUS
> > � hO AGAQOS, with the definite article before BASILEUS and before the
> > � adjective, I believe it could then be understood as "the king, the
> good
> > � one" Therefore, if John 1:18 read hO QEOS hO MONOGENHS one could
> translate
> > � it as God, the One and Only, or God, the Only Begotten," depending on
> how
> > � you understand MONOGENHS, but with it as � hO MONOGENHS QEOS, it seems
> it
> > � should be understood as a simple adjective. (Of course, if we
> substitute
> > � the variant UIOS I do not think anyone would have a problem seeing it
> as a
> > � simple
> > � > � adjective modifying UIOS).
> > � >
> > � > � If we transfer that phrase into a similar verse structure, let us
> > � pretend we have hO BASILEUS hO AGAQOS hO WN EIS TON OIKON AUTOU. It
> seems
> > � that it should be translated as the “the good king who is in his
> > � house,” or “the king, the good one who is in his house.” But if
> we
> > � had hO AGAQOS � BASILEUS � hO WN EIS TON OIKON AUTOU, it seems the
> only way
> > � it could be translated is “the good king who is in his house.” It
> seems
> > � it would stretch the parameters of grammar to say it should be
> understood
> > � as “the good one, who is king in his house,” although, I guess it
> might
> > � be possible, but it does not seem it would be the normal
> understanding.
> > � >
> > � > � Yours Truly,
> > � >
> > � > � B.Harris
> > � >
> > � >
> > � >
> > � >
> > � > � ________________________________
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> > � > � Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 10:59:05 AM
> > � > � Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS
> in
> > � John 1:18-revised
> > � >
> > � >
> > � > � B. Harris � wrote:
> > � >
> > � > � <Anyway, it still seems a bit artificial to turn QEOS
> > � > � into apposition with MONOGENHS. It � seems that
> > � > � the structure of the sentence would still demand MONOGENHS
> > � > � to be an adjective modifying QEOS. Am I still missing something?>
> > � >
> > � > � Are not all attributive adjectives really nouns in apposition?
> > � > � hO BASILEUS hO AGAQOS can always be understood as
> > � > � "the king, the good one." � If fact, whether hO BASILEUS
> > � > � is really a noun ("the king") or an adjective ("the royal one")
> > � > � or a verb ("the one who rules") depends more on your
> > � > � starting point than on anything in the Greek text. � Same,
> > � > � I think, with MONOGENHS.
> > � >
> > � > � Mark L
> > � >
> > � >
> > � > � FWSFOROS � MARKOS
> > � >
> > � > � --- On Wed, 11/4/09, Blue Meeksbay <[LINK:
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> > � >
> > � >
> > � > � >From: Blue Meeksbay <[LINK:
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> > � > � >Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to
> MONOGENHS in
> > � John 1:18-revised
> > � > � >To: "Eddie Mishoe" <[LINK:
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> > � > � >Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2009, � 8:17 AM
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >It seems what Dr. Wallace is saying, is that the reason for
> turning hO
> > � WN into a relative clause connected with God, “who is God,” or
> “the
> > � one being God,” are the examples in Rev.1:4,8;4:8; 11:16; 17:5. But
> those
> > � verses seem to support the idea that QEOS should not be in apposition.
> For
> > � example, the one example in Rev. 4:8 where the relative clause refers
> back
> > � to Lord God Almighty, “God” and “Almighty” are not anarthrous
> like
> > � the word “God” in John 1:18. Perhaps, if QEOS was not anarthrous
> hO WN
> > � could refer back to God, but since it is anarthrous it seems hO WN is
> > � completed by the following prepositional phrase. This seems to be the
> > � normal pattern followed by John. It seems in all cases when John
> introduces
> > � a relative clause by the root hO WN and a prepositional phrase is
> present,
> > � the clause is completed by the prepositional phrase (Jn.3:13, 6:46,
> 9:40,
> > � 11:31). Thus it � seems the relative clause in Jn. 1:18 is completed
> by the
> > � > � >prepositional phrase, “who is in the bosom of the Father,”
> and
> > � should not be thought to refer back to QEOS – “who is God.”
> > � > � >This same structure also seems to be used by other writers (II
> cor.
> > � 11:31 col. 4:11 I thess 2:14). It seems that in the New Testament hO
> WN of
> > � the relative clause always is connected to the prepositional phrase
> when a
> > � prepositional phrase is present. Perhaps, the one exception would be
> Rom.
> > � 7:13, which could read “the law, which is of sin in my members.”
> > � > � >As for the examples of substantive adjectives followed by a noun,
> it
> > � seems to me, unless I am not seeing something, the only one that could
> > � clearly apply to John 1:18 would be Gal. 3:9. In that case it seems
> one
> > � could translated John 1:18 as “the one and only, God” or “the
> Only
> > � Begotten, God,” depending on your understanding of monogenes, and
> still
> > � keep the relative clause with the prepositional phrase, but it still
> seems
> > � the simpler translation would to view it as a simple adjective. I
> wonder if
> > � the variant “Son” was the accepted reading, those who believe God
> is in
> > � apposition to MONOGENES would believe Son should be in apposition to
> > � MONOGENHS from the same grammatical point of view?
> > � > � >Anyway, it still seems a bit artificial to turn QEOS into
> apposition
> > � with MONOGENHS. It � seems that the structure of the sentence would
> still
> > � demand MONOGENHS to be an adjective modifying QEOS. Am I still missing
> > � something? � Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.
> > � > � >Sincerely,
> > � > � >B. Harris
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >________________________________
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> > � > � >Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 7:43:30 PM
> > � > � >Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to
> MONOGENHS in
> > � John 1:18-revised
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >B. Harris:
> > � > � >
> > � > � >This may be of help to you on this issue. It is the
> translator's note
> > � in the NET Bible at this passage. Dr. Wallace, the author of this
> note, has
> > � written an article on this subject also where he interacts more with
> Dr.
> > � Ehrman's position. In short, the answer to your main question is,
> "Yes,
> > � QEOS stands in apposition to MONGENHS.
> > � > � >
> > � > � >tc The textual problem μονογενὴς θεός (monogenh"
> qeo",
> > � “the only God”) versus ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός (Jo
> monogenh"
> > � Juio", “the only son”) is a notoriously difficult one. Only one
> letter
> > � would have differentiated the readings in the mss , since both words
> would
> > � have been contracted as nomina sacra: thus qMs or uMs. Externally,
> there
> > � are several variants, but they can be grouped essentially by whether
> they
> > � read θεός or υἱός. The majority of mss , especially the
> later ones
> > � (A C3 Θ Ψ Ë1,13 Ï lat), read ὁ μονογενὴς υἱός.
> Ì75
> > � א1 33 pc have ὁ μονογενὴς θεός, while the anarthrous
> > � μονογενὴς θεός is found in Ì66 א* B C* L pc. The
> articular
> > � θεός is almost certainly a scribal emendation to the anarthrous
> > � θεός, for θεός without the article is a much harder reading.
> The
> > � external � evidence thus strongly supports μονογενὴς
> θεός.
> > � Internally, although
> > � > � >υἱός fits the immediate context more readily, θεός is
> much
> > � more difficult. As well, θεός also explains the origin of the
> other
> > � reading (υἱός), because it is difficult to see why a scribe who
> found
> > � υἱός in the text he was copying would alter it to θεός.
> Scribes
> > � would naturally change the wording to υἱός however, since
> > � μονογενὴς υἱός is a uniquely Johannine christological
> title
> > � (cf. John 3:16, 18; 1 John 4:9). But θεός as the older and more
> > � difficult reading is preferred. As for translation, it makes the most
> sense
> > � to see the word θεόςas in apposition to μονογενής, and
> the
> > � participle ὁ ὤν (Jo wn) as in apposition to θεός, giving in
> effect
> > � three descriptions of Jesus rather than only two. (B. D. Ehrman, The
> > � Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, 81, suggests that it is nearly
> impossible
> > � and completely unattested in the NT for an adjective followed
> immediately
> > � by a noun that agrees in
> > � > � >gender, number, and case, to be a substantival adjective: “when
> is
> > � an adjective ever used substantivally when it immediately precedes a
> noun
> > � of the same inflection?” This, however, is an overstatement. First,
> as
> > � Ehrman admits, μονογενής in John 1:14 is substantival. And
> since
> > � it is an established usage for the adjective in this context, one
> might
> > � well expect that the author would continue to use the adjective
> > � substantivally four verses later. Indeed, μονογενής is
> already
> > � moving toward a crystallized substantival adjective in the NT [cf.
> Luke
> > � 9:38; Heb 11:17]; in patristic Greek, the process continued [cf. PGL
> 881
> > � s.v. 7]. Second, there are several instances in the NT in which a
> > � substantival adjective is followed by a noun with which it has
> complete
> > � concord: cf., e.g., Rom 1:30; Gal 3:9; 1 Tim 1:9; 2 Pet 2:5.) The
> � modern
> > � translations which best express this are the NEB (margin) and TEV.
> Several
> > � things should be noted:
> > � > � >μονογενής alone, without υἱός, can mean “only
> son,”
> > � “unique son,” “unique one,” etc. (see 1:14). Furthermore,
> θεός
> > � is anarthrous. As such it carries qualitative force much like it does
> in
> > � 1:1c, where θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (qeo" hn Jo logo") means
> “the
> > � Word was fully God” or “the Word was fully of the essence of
> deity.”
> > � Finally, ὁ ὤν occurs in Rev 1:4, 8; 4:8, 11:17; and 16:5, but
> even
> > � more significantly in the LXX of Exod 3:14. Putting all of this
> together
> > � leads to the translation given in the text.
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >Anything discussed further on this may get into theology rather
> than
> > � syntax.
> > � > � >
> > � > � >Eddie Mishoe
> > � > � >Pastor
> > � > � >
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> > � > � >
> > � > � >>From: Blue Meeksbay <[LINK:
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> > � > � >>Subject: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS
> in
> > � John 1:18-revised
> > � > � >>To: [LINK:
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> > � > � >>Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 5:24 PM
> > � > � >>
> > � > � >>
> > � > � >>I have noticed some believe QEOS should be seen in apposition to
> > � MONOGENHS in John 1:18. This seems to me to be an unusual grammatical
> > � construction.
> > � > � >>If QEOS was to be used in apposition to MONOGENHS in this verse,
> > � would not it have normally been used in a relative clause or, perhaps,
> have
> > � been preceded by a pronoun, as “Saviour” is preceded by
> “our,” in
> > � “God our Saviour” in Jude 1:25? Then John 1:18 would read “the
> One
> > � and Only, our God,” or the "Only Begotten, our God," depending on
> one's
> > � understanding. � Or if MONOGENHS is supposed to be viewed as a
> substantive,
> > � would not it have been normal to write QEOS with the definite article
> as is
> > � commonly done in the LXX (e.g. Lord God – KURIOSO QEOS)? � If John
> wants
> > � us to view QEOS in apposition to MONOGENHS, it seems he is using an
> unusual
> > � construction. It seems the simpler translation would be to understand
> > � MONOGENHS as an adjective modifying “QEOS,” so that it would read,
> "the
> > � One and Only God," or the "Only Begotten God," according to one's
> > � preference. Are � there any thoughts as to this issue, or are there
> any
> > � other examples
> > � > � >>by any other writers who use a construction like this, but in a
> verse
> > � with less ambiguity?
> > � > � >>Yours Truly,
> > � > � >>B. Harris
> > � > � >>P.S. Please excuse my earlier email. I did not fully understand
> the
> > � protocols. I hope this one is done correctly.
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> > � > � >>B-Greek home page: [LINK: [LINK: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek]
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> > � [LINK: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek] http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
> > � > � >>B-Greek mailing list
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> > � [LINK: mailto:B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org] B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > � > � >>[LINK: [LINK: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek]
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> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >
> > � > � >---
> > � > � >B-Greek home page: [LINK: [LINK: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek]
> http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek]
>
> > � [LINK: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek] http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
> > � > � >B-Greek mailing list
> > � > � >[LINK:
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> http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=B-Greek@lists.ibiblio.org]
> http://us.mc636.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=B-Greek@lists.ibiblio.org]
>
> > � [LINK: mailto:B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org] B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > � > � >[LINK: [LINK: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek]
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek]
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> > � [LINK: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek]
> http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek
> > � > � >
> > � >
> > � >
> > � >
> > � >
> > � > � ---
> > � > � B-Greek home page: [LINK: [LINK: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek]
> http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek]
>
> > � [LINK: http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek] http://www.ibiblio.org/bgreek
> > � > � B-Greek � mailing list
> > � > � [LINK:
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>
> > � [LINK: mailto:B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org] B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > � > � [LINK: [LINK: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek]
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>
> > � [LINK: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-greek]
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> John Sanders
> Suzhou, China
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