[B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS inJohn 1:18-revised
John Sanders
john.franklin.sanders at gmail.com
Thu Nov 5 07:29:20 EST 2009
I think we should keep in mind that "only begotten" is an English term, I
would not be surprised if it was coined by Tynedale. MONOGENHS is a Greek
term, if I recall correctly it was coined in 783 BCE by Chen Du Xiu while he
was instructing Homer. To try to correlate the English term using its
etymolgy with the Greek term by its etymology is traveling down a path that
I suspect will not be too fruitful.
Tyndale had an extremely good ear for English and English sounds and
rthymn. We should not think the he or the AV (also known as the KJV)
translation team had a strict protocol linking an English term based on
their etymology with a Greek term based on its etymolgy. There may have
been a loose association, but I suspect they paid more attention to how it
sounded when spoken. They loved the spoken language, unlike our age where
it appears we prefer to twitter than speak.
John Sanders
Suzhou, China
2009/11/5 Vasileios Tsialas <tsialas78 at hotmail.com>
>
> > From: cwconrad2 at mac.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:12:54 -0500
> > To: leonardj at live.com
> > CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS inJohn
> 1:18-revised
> >
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Leonard Jayawardena wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Tom Moore wrote:> "MONOGENHS (pred.) QEOS means God's only
> > >> begotten?">> MONOGENHS and QEOS are in the same case. Using the
> > >> same sense and> terminology you used, it would need be, I think,
> > >> "only begotten is> God"> using the same word order as Greek. For my
> > >> part, I would prefer the> attributive position becasue of the
> > >> context.
> > >
> > > Except that MONOGENHS does not mean "only-begotten" but rater "one
> > > of a kind," "unique."
> > >
> > > Carl W. Conrad
> > >
> > >
> > > LJ: Is not GENHS in MONOGENHS cognate with GENNAW (used in v. 1:13).
> > > Why cannot it mean "only-begotton"?
> >
> > Only insofar as GENNAW "generate/beget" derives from the root GEN-
> > "come-to-be" or "kind/kindred"
> > -GENHS derives directly from GEN-
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
> As far as I remember, according to TDNT the usual meanning of μονογενής
> MONOGENHSis "only-beggoten" and that the meanning "unique" is not quite
> often.At the begining of the article, it ιs explaind how μονογενής literally
> means "of sole descent", "without brothers and sisters".The stem γεν GEN is
> related with γένεσις GENESIS, which some times is used interchangablywith
> γέννησις GENNHSIS, because the basic concept is the same, the origin of
> existance.I hope I remember well.After many hours from now, I will be home
> to check the article again.Tsialas VasileiosAthens Greece>
> >
> >
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