[B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS inJohn 1:18-revised
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Vasileios Tsialas wrote:
As far as I remember, according to TDNT the usual meanning of μονογενής MONOGENHSis "only-beggoten" and that the meanning "unique" is not quite often.At the begining of the article, it ιs explaind how μονογενής literally means "of sole descent", "without brothers and sisters".The stem γεν GEN is related with γένεσις GENESIS, which some times is used interchangablywith γέννησις GENNHSIS, because the basic concept is the same, the origin of existance.I hope I remember well.After many hours from now, I will be home to check the article again.Tsialas VasileiosAthens Greece>
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Not wanting to change my initial inquiry, but since it doesn't really change the grammatical structure, MONOGENHS sometimes was used without any sense of derivation, and thus meant "unique," or "one of a kind," however, this really was a minority usage which has been turned into the major usage today. In the vast majority of the cases “genes” carried the sense of “derivation,” or being “born.” In Liddell and Scott the stem “—genes” occurs 168 times in various words. In all these occurrences, the overwhelming majority carry the sense of “derivation.” Of the 168 occurrences, 108 times it is used with the sense of “derivation” or “born.” However, only 22 times is it used with the sense of “class” or “kind.” Of the remaining uses, 28 times the definition is unavailable and the other 10 times miscellaneous meanings are assigned to the word.[1]
Therefore, clearly etymologically MONOGENHS would have no problem being understood as "only begotten," or "only born." As far as in the New Testament, GENOS is used 22 times, if my memory serves me correctly, and only 4 or 5 times I believe is it used with the sense of "class" or "kind." The vast majority of the times it is used with a connotation of "derivation" in such words as "born" "offspring" "race" "nation" etc. Therefore, even if one believes GENHS is related to GENOS and not GENNAO it still is not divorced of its connotation of "derivation."
Therefore, the common meaning of the word would be "only begotten" or "only born" and not "one of a kind" or "one and only." Those terms are a minority meaning, the primary meaning is "only begotten" or "only born," but they have been rejected by modern translators because of theological reasons.
Yours Truly
B.Harris
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From: Vasileios Tsialas <tsialas78 at hotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS inJohn 1:18-revised
> From: cwconrad2 at mac.com> Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:12:54 -0500
> To: leonardj at live.com
> CC: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Can QEOS be used in apposition to MONOGENHS inJohn 1:18-revised
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> On Nov 5, 2009, at 1:10 AM, Leonard Jayawardena wrote:
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> >> Tom Moore wrote:> "MONOGENHS (pred.) QEOS means God's only
> >> begotten?">> MONOGENHS and QEOS are in the same case. Using the
> >> same sense and> terminology you used, it would need be, I think,
> >> "only begotten is> God"> using the same word order as Greek. For my
> >> part, I would prefer the> attributive position becasue of the
> >> context.
> >
> > Except that MONOGENHS does not mean "only-begotten" but rater "one
> > of a kind," "unique."
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
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> > LJ: Is not GENHS in MONOGENHS cognate with GENNAW (used in v. 1:13).
> > Why cannot it mean "only-begotton"?
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> Only insofar as GENNAW "generate/beget" derives from the root GEN-
> "come-to-be" or "kind/kindred"
> -GENHS derives directly from GEN-
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Retired)
As far as I remember, according to TDNT the usual meanning of μονογενής MONOGENHSis "only-beggoten" and that the meanning "unique" is not quite often.At the begining of the article, it ιs explaind how μονογενής literally means "of sole descent", "without brothers and sisters".The stem γεν GEN is related with γένεσις GENESIS, which some times is used interchangablywith γέννησις GENNHSIS, because the basic concept is the same, the origin of existance.I hope I remember well.After many hours from now, I will be home to check the article again.Tsialas VasileiosAthens Greece>
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