[B-Greek] LXX Amos 3:5, Matthew 10:29 Grammar, Topic, Context, and Verbal Irony
Yancy W Smith
yancywsmith at sbcglobal.net
Thu Nov 19 19:10:29 EST 2009
Yes, after I pressed send I realized that I should not have put a
negative to match the Greek EI. There used to be a column in the
Buenos Aires Herald written in Engish as a Porteño might speak it were
he to speak in word for word correspondence with his thought in
Castellano. Bilinguals always got quite a kick out of it.
Yancy
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Albert Pietersma <albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
> wrote:
> Note, however, that the citation from Amos 3:5 does not have a
> negative. The answer is therefore not: "The bird will fall
> nevertheless." Rather, the question is: "Will a bird fall on the
> ground without a fowler?" which might be answered by: No, of course
> not! Why would it?
> No irony here; just an illustration that nothing happens without a
> cause.
> Al
> On Nov 19, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Yancy Smith wrote:
>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> One of the difficulties of a strictly grammatical/linguistic
>> approach to reading the Greek NT is how to account for context and
>> recognize verbal irony. For example, οὐχὶ δύο
>> στρουθία ἀσσαρίου πωλεῖται; καὶ ἓν
>> ἐξ αὐτῶν οὐ πεσεῖται ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν
>> ἄνευ τοῦ πατρὸς ὑμῶν. OUCI DUO STROUQIA
>> ASSARIOU PWLEITAI hEN EX AUTWN OU PESEITAI EPI THN GHN ANEU TOU PA
>> TROS hUMWN. The NRSV reads, fairly literally, “Are not two sparrow
>> s sold for a penny? Yet not one of them will fall to the ground ap
>> art from your Father.” The last part of the verse is sometimes cal
>> led “cryptic” (Matthew vol. 2, I.C.C. Allison and Davies). So,
>> the meaning in terms of theology has been a topic of much discussi
>> on. (I.e., is it speaking of “apart from the will, knowledge, care
>> , or comforting presence” of God?) Theology aside, the topic is al
>> so obscured by the oblique language. Does “PESEITAI EPI THN GHN”
>> refer to the “death” of a little bird? I would like to suggest
>> Matthew’s Jesus engages in a bit of Scriptural-verbal irony. That
>> is, a Scripture quote or allusion is accompanied by an attitude di
>> stinct from the original. In the LXX Amos 3:5 has εἰ
>> πεσεῖται ὄρνεον ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν ἄνευ
>> ἰξευτοῦ; EI PESEITAI ORNEON EPI THN GHN ANEU IXEUTON.
>> “Will not a bird fall to the ground without the bird catcher!?”
>> Matthew apparently quotes the prophetic saying with a bit of irony
>> . For translators, irony is difficult to spot. Commentator’s miss
>> the verbal similarity to Amos or fail to give it any significance.
>> In Matthew’s version, Jesus changes the text and puts
>> “Father” in the place of “birdcatcher.” The PAGIS is EPI THN
>> GHN. So, I wonder if the language about a bird falling to the grou
>> nd is an extension of the image of the sparrows that are sold in t
>> he marketplace for a pittance. I suppose they would be thought to
>> have been caught by fowlers and that the phrase “πεσεῖται
>> ἐπὶ τὴν γῆν” is an idiomatic reference to being
>> “caught” by the bird catcher. Is this an idiomatic use of
>> “fall” like that of the Lucan story of the Good Samaritan, who
>> “fell among theives” λῃσταῖς περιέπεσεν,
>> which might be translated, “Some robbers surrounded him and caught
>> him.” Is it similar to “fall into a trap/danger.”
>> πιπτειν εἰς νόσον καὶ ἔσχατον
>> κίνδυνον PIPTEIN EIS NOSON KAI ESCATON KINDUNON “fall into
>> sickness and extreme peril” Acts of Paul 4:15 where no literal fal
>> ling is involved? A much closer verbal parallel is 1 Tim 3:6-7 μὴ
>> νεόφυτον, ἵνα μὴ τυφωθεὶς εἰς κρίμα
>> ἐμπέσῃ τοῦ διαβόλου. 7 δεῖ δὲ καὶ
>> μαρτυρίαν καλὴν ἔχειν ἀπὸ τῶν
>> ἔξωθεν, ἵνα μὴ εἰς ὀνειδισμὸν
>> ἐμπέσῃ καὶ παγίδα τοῦ διαβόλου. MH
>> NEOPHUTON hINA MH TUFWQEIS EIS KRIMA EMPESESHi TOU DIABOLOU 7 DEI
>> DE KAI MARTURIAN KALHN ECEIN APO TVN EXOQEN Hina One “falls”
>> into judgment, disgrace, and a snare.
>> The context in Matthew is about being prepared for capture and
>> martyrdom, i.e. when God permits even one follower of Christ to be
>> captured and suffer martyrdom it is part of his plan to bring
>> witnesses before “rulers and Gentiles,” but the follower of
>> Jesus is always under God’s watchful care.
>>
>> Comments? Rebuttals?
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>> Yancy Smith
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>> Be kinder than necessary for everyone you meet is fighting some
>> kind of battle.
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