[B-Greek] Ephesians 1:4-5

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Tue Sep 1 09:25:41 EDT 2009


Clayton:

I'm not sure I understand your question entirely, but I will note this: 

The sentence you are asking about ends at vs 14. All the events you reference in vss 4 and 5 are 'preceded' by (chronologically, logically, etc.) the main phrase in vs 13, PISTEUSANTES ESFRAGISQHTE. That is, AFTER believing, believers are sealed, chosen, predestined, adopted. 

Elsewhere Paul speaks of those who were in Christ BEFORE him [Rom 16.7]. This is what I mean when I refer to the "chronological" aspect of the events in vss 4 and 5. 

Make sure your questions are limited to grammar or syntax, and not theology. I think your question is too close to a theological discussion and thus nobody has answered it publicly. I probably crossed that line even in my short answer above. 

I tend to go into theology more than others. I just want to make Carl's job a challenge :o )

Eddie Mishoe

Pastor

--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Clayton Javurek <javurek at asu.edu> wrote:

From: Clayton Javurek <javurek at asu.edu>
Subject: [B-Greek] Ephesians 1:4-5
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 4:14 PM





Clayton G. Javurek
E-Mail: javurek at asu.edu

Dear B-Greek,

Does the grammar and syntax of Ephesians 1:4-5 suggest that the 
that the "exelexato hemas" and the "prohorisas hemas" and the "eis
huiothesian"
are all identical in class (A=B=C)? Or are the latter 2 classes B and C
identical to each other
and are separate from A...(A,B=C)? Is the participle prohorisas modal or
supplemental to the
main verb exelexato? Are only the prohorisas hemas tied to the eis
huiothesian or is the eis huiothesian
tied to both the exelexeto hemas and the prohorisas hemas?

Thank you kindly for any insights you can offer me on this matter.
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