[B-Greek] please explain

George F Somsel gfsomsel at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 17 06:40:06 EDT 2009


Let me correct one thing.  I allowed myself to be lulled into accepting that the verb was pl -- it is sg.  This is because it has a neut pl subject, and is standard practice.

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16ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ ἐκτίσθη τὰ πάντα
ἐν τοῖς οὐρανοῖς καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς γῆς,
τὰ ὁρατὰ καὶ τὰ ἀόρατα,
εἴτε θρόνοι εἴτε κυριότητες
εἴτε ἀρχαὶ εἴτε ἐξουσίαι·
τὰ πάντα διʼ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται·
 
hOTI EN AUTWi EKTISQH TA PANTA
EN TOIS OURANOIS KAI EPI THS GHS,
TA hORATA KAI TA AORATA,
EITE QRONOI EITE KURIOTHTES
EITE ARXAI EITE ECOUSIAI: 
TA PANTA DI' AUTOU KAI EIS AUTON EKTISTAI;

First, you have misconstrued the verb.  It is not 2nd (whether sg or pl) but 3 pl nor is it middle but passive.  Here we have a subject in the pl: TA PANTA.  This is categorized as TA hORATA and TA AORATA (with its subcategories introduced by EITE).  The subject is then resumed with TA PANTA.  The verb is pl because the subject is plural.
george
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 george
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… search for truth, hear truth, 
learn truth, love truth, speak the truth, hold the truth, 
defend the truth till death.


- Jan Hus
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----- Original Message ----
From: Herb Picoski <pic3lite at telus.net>
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 9:02:10 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] please explain

Hi All,
I'm finding some inconsistencies with Verbs.
That is,  Why is the verb CREATED in second person plural, AORIST MIDDLE?  Col.1:16.
That would translate, " for in him ye set forth (created) for yourself all things", as if speaking in a prayer.
And then at the end of the verse, the same verb, third person singular, FUTURE MIDDLE,
Translated - "unto him he will set forth (create) for himself all things".
At least the end verb should be in third person plural if "all things" is the subject.
Please explain verb usage for ektisqh, and ektistai, both translated as aorist by KJV.
Herb
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